Thursday, June 19, 2008

Did You Know Adam Dunn Doesn't Like Baseball?

No matter your opinion of J.P. Ricciardi, you have to hold him in somewhat high regard for his willingness to take phone calls every Wednesday from fans who sound more depressed than suburban teenagers getting grounded on the same night that Fall Out Boy comes to town. While he may dodge certain issues and flat out refuse to delve into others, it does take some impressive gonads to give people a public forum to speak their minds on the job that you're doing.

There is absolutely no question that as frustrating as it is to watch this team as fans, it's even more aggravating for the person who actually constructed it. This disappointment and frustration almost boiled over tonight on Jays Talk when a caller phoned in to express his dismay with the Jays not going after Adam Dunn.

"What do you know about Adam Dunn? . . . Did you know the guy doesn't really like baseball that much? Do you know the guy doesn't have a passion to play the game that much? How much do you know about the player? . . . I don't think you'd be very happy if we brought Adam Dunn in here. I think you'd be one of the guys calling me up on Wednesday night complaining about all of the deficiencies that the guy has."

Ricciardi, walking a fine line of mentioning something he'd later regret, then went on to remind listeners that the Jays front office does their homework on many of the same ideas that we have as fans. He said that there is a reason why the Jays don't go after Adam Dunn. Just because Dunn isn't in a Jays uniform, it doesn't mean it hasn't been considered.

While I despise the attitude of the guy who watches six games all year and considers himself to be more knowledgeable than the general manager, the truth is that with every loss this season I'm reminded more and more of that game you played with your retarded cousin where you took a piece of paper and wrote "Retarded Cousin is an idiot. Flip the page to find out why." on both sides of the sheet.

Even Ricciardi himself admitted earlier in the show to wanting to have a prototypical stud in left field. When asked about Adam Lind, Ricciardi dodged the issue somewhat saying, "[The fans] haven't seen Adam Lind play, so he's the next best thing. And you ask for the things you haven't seen, not the things you have seen. It's just human nature. Eventually Lind will be up here to play and hopefully he'll take off and be what we expect him to be."

In my most cynical of assumptions, I'd read too much into Ricciardi's comments and come away with "the facts" that Adam Dunn uses steroids and Adam Lind lacks a level of maturity, but since we're trying to act a little more responsibly around these parts I'll maintain the cynical assumption caveat to that statement. Even if you don't want to make a cynical leap, Ricciardi's statements on Dunn and Lind reek of the type of intangibles that usually induce eyerolls from the Stoetilner set.

I find it highly amusing that Ricciardi uses this line of reasoning whenever it's convenient for him. Not that I'm complaining about his transactions, but according to the GM, Scott Rolen and David Eckstein bring grit, while Reed Johnson brings poor performances against right handed pitching.

The central theme that I gathered from tonight's chat with J.P. was that he is a man currently without answers. While normally the lack of answers have to do with his safekeeping of the Blue Jays inner secrets, this time the clueless shoulder shrugs over his team's recent performances were actually genuine.

The entire broadcast is available for your discerning ears on Mike Wilner's blog.

64 rational and reasonable comments:

Torgen said...

For a man without answers, JP seems to spend a lot of time answering questions on a call-in show.

Anonymous said...

Shannon Stewart and Brad Wilkerson over Adam Lind.

Matt Stairs and Kevin Mench over Frank Thomas.

The refusal to sign Barry Bonds for reasons of clubhouse chemistry and not wanting to sell souls.

The refusal to trade for Adam Dunn because he doesn’t like baseball. Which is ridiculous I should add…I don’t care what a player’s attitude is as long as he hits 40 HR with a .900 OPS. I’m sure he’ll take his pay check whether he likes playing or not.

These are all failures involving the offense that JP had control over (except possibly the Bonds situation, I look towards Godfrey there). It wasn’t just the slumps of Rios, Overbay, Hill, and Wells that have led to the abysmal offense. It’s also the major mistakes that JP has refused to rectify. His excuse for Lind not being here… well I’m not sure he actually has one that makes sense anymore. I used to be in favour of letting him stay around as I considered him to be a slightly above average GM, but there are just too many nonsensical things going on in this organization. He needs to be let go.

Anyway, knowing that what I just said isn’t very likely to happen, I do think he's going to replace Gibbons if they lose tomorrow. And I think Cito could very well be the replacement.

MJK from Toronto, living in Boston or Switzerland said...

People keep saying that neither Gibbons nor Riccardi is responsible for the players' failure to hit.

Quick question: what are each of these people responsible for?

silvestre said...

No matter what you think of his record, JP is a hard guy to root for with his condescending bullshit. His response to questions consistently translates to: "I know more than you do, so shut the fuck up". As for the Dunn explanation, I recall Vernon Wells has stated he does not have a particular love of baseball, yet he saw fit to give him the keys to the franchise. Remember Miguel Batista, the poet and renaissance man? He was the big FA signing one year. It's nonsense... just say we don't have an interest in Dunn, the price is too high or whatever. It's more believable.

Richard Griffin said...

The fact is that Gibbons has not pulled the strings to the point anyone would say he has been the key to many, if any, victories, while for Jays fans paying close attention, they will point to approximately eight to 10 games that the Jays should have won that they allowed to slip away.

Anonymous said...

And are you blaming gibbons for those losses? That's ridiculous.

John Brattain said...

The reason Ricciardi doesn't like Dunn--he's only hit into two double plays this year ... clearly not Blue Jay material.

I wonder if he realizes that Pittsburgh would only be a half-game back of Toronto if they were in the same division.

I would settle for him just being fired--now I want him fired into outer space.

Best Regards

John

Christopher Jones said...

Dunn and the Reds are visiting Toronto next week. Just in time for Dunn to hear J.P's comments and tear the Jays a third asshole.

parker said...

I'm with Mr. Brattain. I've thought for a while now that Ricciardi should be turfed, but these latest comments almost make me wish for him to be run out of town on a rail.

JP, if your attitude towards the common baseball fan was backed up by the ability to make decisions that clearly show you know more than we do, I would grin and bear it. As it stands, your ability to run a baseball team seems to be vastly dwarfed by your belief in your ability to run a baseball team.

adams said...

Fuck it, Parkes demonstrated so much uncalled-for maturity in his post that I'm going to take the low road for him.


Anonymous said...

Shannon Stewart and Brad Wilkerson over Adam Lind.

Matt Stairs and Kevin Mench over Frank Thomas.

The refusal to sign Barry Bonds for reasons of clubhouse chemistry and not wanting to sell souls.

The refusal to trade for Adam Dunn because he doesn’t like baseball. Which is ridiculous I should add…I don’t care what a player’s attitude is as long as he hits 40 HR with a .900 OPS. I’m sure he’ll take his pay check whether he likes playing or not.

These are all failures involving the offense that JP had control over (except possibly the Bonds situation, I look towards Godfrey there). It wasn’t just the slumps of Rios, Overbay, Hill, and Wells that have led to the abysmal offense. It’s also the major mistakes that JP has refused to rectify. His excuse for Lind not being here… well I’m not sure he actually has one that makes sense anymore. I used to be in favour of letting him stay around as I considered him to be a slightly above average GM, but there are just too many nonsensical things going on in this organization. He needs to be let go.

Anyway, knowing that what I just said isn’t very likely to happen,
I do think he's going to replace Gibbons if they lose tomorrow. And I think Cito could very well be the replacement.

June 19, 2008 5:55 AM



I have bolded the things that make you A RETARD.

OH WAIT. THAT'S ALMOST ALL OF IT.

Fucking idiots, all of you. I've had it.

JP can't create clubhouse chemistry because Vernon and Alexis look like they don't care, but then clubhouse chemistry doesn't matter to you when it comes to Thomas or Dunn?

JP's an idiot for not signing Bonds? Then I guess every other GM in the league must be pretty stupid, too.

Everyone derided this team's lack of depth. So JP went out and got Scott Rolen, Marco Scutaro, Brad Wilkerson, Kevin Mench, Shannon Stewart, Rod Barajas, and, yes, even David Eckstein has contributed. Who did we lose for all that awesome? Fucking Reed, Benjie and Troy. How the fuck can you say that wasn't making major improvements to the team?

You say JP's too stubborn to be a GM in the Major Leagues. Oh? Would a stubborn person sign Reed and then turn right around and drop him? Would a stubborn person sign Johnny Mac and then again, much to my chagrin, sign Eckstein? Christ no! They'd stand by their original decisions regardless of how they worked out.

This is a fucking great team that is failing to perform. And you know what? I just convinced myself this team needs a new manager. It's the only fucking explanation for this much awesome pumping out this much suck.

Beau said...

and he has a small penis and is seen in clubs such as easy on the fifth, or whatever the fuck it's called, dancing! DANCING!!! with three younger women even though he's married on a thursday night a few weeks ago with his big ugly nose and stupid eyeballs.

WHO THE FUCK DANCES?

Paul O said...

the fact that he was out dancing with young ladies on a Thursday night and is married makes him a wicked dude

also, he comes out every wednesday to talk baseball to schlups like vito from hamilton or something - the guy has been an excellent businessman for the jays

but he's clearly lost it and is at the end of his rope to fall back on 'he doesn't have a passion for the game'

adams said...

WHO THE FUCK DANCES?

Beau: straight dudes who have control of their extremities and confidence in their heterosexuality.

And it's called The Fifth, and it's a great joint on Friday nights, and if I looked like an old muppet and could still get young chicks to dance with me I'd be pretty fuckin' happy with myself.

jrock said...

JP believes in intangibles, always has, always will. When he first took over the Jays, he called down to Syracuse and asked if they had player who ran around the bases like a chicken with its head cut off. Sure enough they did, that player was Reed Johnson.
However, I think JP also knows that intangibles aren't everything, and they definitely are not what makes a good player great.
Personaly, I think intangibles are just white noise. At least in baseball there has been a movement debunking intangibles, in hockey all you hear about is momentum, grit, and clutch, it boggles my mind.

the ack said...

^^ nails, adams (10:08 post, not the gaylord dancing thing).

I think it's pretty fucking wild that he called out a player from a team other than his own. I mean, holy mother of fuck JP. Ballsy move.

I'm starting to think it's impossible to fire him. I mean, you put that guy in a room with Godfrey, who's all prepped and ready to tie the can to him, and JP will talk his way into an extension instead. And I don't even know how I feel about that, to be honest. I kind of like the fact that he is so brash and outspoken, for some weird reason. Strange. It's condescending, but how can you argue the point that yeah, he just MIGHT know a little bit more about baseball dealings and players than Joe Fan does. If we're all pining for an Adam Dunn, you don't think he's kicked the tires and done some homework himself? What the fuck do you want him to say....."hey, great idea Bruno, maybe I'll call up Reds management and see what they want for him."

Other than the Dunn thing.....you have to at least be impressed that he sure as shit doesn't shirk responsibility.

The "we might look at doing things differently" line is sure interesting, though. Where's he going with that?

Beau said...

^^ adams:

You probably aren't out dancing with ladies on a Thursday because you would go out dancing with ladies on a Thursday.

Heterosexuality and extremity control are at odds with one another. Who are these miracle men you speak of? Seriously . . . tear your eyes off the tits and look at the schmucks dancing next to the tits . . . they look like my retarded artarded cousin.

I'll be damned if I didn't nail some dancing at tattoo on saturday . . . and by nail I mean drink until I was obliterated enough to decide to dance.

Now if you'll all excuse me, I think i'll head out dancing.

Torgen said...

Most of the other teams in the AL _are_ dumb for not signing Bonds, with the exception of the ones that already have an entrenched DH.

wheeler-josh said...

adams... just stop with the verbal blow job on JP... its sickening

Dustin Parkes said...

I don't think it's arrogance for JP to tell fans that he knows more than they do . . . he does know more than they do.

I'm sure JP wouldn't come down to where you work and instruct you on the proper ways to suck cock . . . even if you were in the midst of a cock sucking slump. You'd laugh it off because you're a professional cock sucker and he's a professional baseball general manager.

If only cock suckers got their own radio shows . . . oh hey, let me turn on the FAN. Hmm. Imagine that.

the ack said...

Parkes, did you just call me a cock sucker?

Dustin Parkes said...

However, Ack nailed it by mentioning the try things differently line.

Unfortunately, Gibbers days are numbered.

Anonymous said...

This is a fucking great team that is failing to perform. And you know what? I just convinced myself this team needs a new manager. It's the only fucking explanation for this much awesome pumping out this much suck.

You're on fucking crack,mate. This is a great team....HORSEHIT! Look at the Rays, Yanks and Red Sox they actually have lethal bats or speed or something that scares you. The Jays? Yeah Rios is a GIDP waiting to happen. Where is the power? Yeah, Rolen is a big home run threat, he scares me. Remember the best team in baseball, the Cubs the Rays just beat them twice at home,what did the Jays do: FUCK UP!

Everyone derided this team's lack of depth. So JP went out and got Scott Rolen, Marco Scutaro, Brad Wilkerson, Kevin Mench, Shannon Stewart, Rod Barajas, and, yes, even David Eckstein has contributed. Who did we lose for all that awesome? Fucking Reed, Benjie and Troy. How the fuck can you say that wasn't making major improvements to the team? Quote
Are you insane? The Jays are 2.5 game behind the lowly Os! What the fuck did he do? Where are the power bats to compete with the other teams in the AL East. He constructed this team as if they had power last year , earth to JP the offense sucked last year. Don't defend the guy, he's in last place with the team he constructed and deserves the blame.

My favorite thing last night was when that guy said JP Riccardi 4 times. That was a classic. That put JP in his place. Adam Dunn doesn't like baseball? I don't bloody care becasue it seems there are chumps on your squad who don't either AND they can't hit fucking home runs or even win one run games. Get this guy out of town, oh I forgot homeboy is in Massholia.
Whatta train wreck, JP will fire Gibby and hopefully hire a non inner circle guy like Butterfield etc so on. 10 games out with the best pitching in the AL? This is pathetic, try a different voice. One more thing, Gibby said that a manager might mean 5 games either way in the win/loss column...well he cost the Jays a few games here and there. Meanwhile, the Yanks, Rays, and Sox are making it a 3 team race and the Jays are in the cellar. They need to try a Williams/Garner or Toborg/ McKeon type of switch to even try to salvage the season.

Dustin Parkes said...

No, I wouldn't have been so subtle about calling you a cock sucker.

the ack said...

That's good, because I was pretty sure you were calling me a cock sucker right there.

And is it just me, or does calling it cock sucker sound a lot harsher than going with cocksucker?

Anyway, back on topic....

Dustin Parkes said...

Do you honestly think Alex Rios isn't an all-star? What about Vernon Wells? The team he built isn't terrible . . . they're playing terribly.

Look at what a slight increase in production did in the month of May. They won two thirds of their games. That's not a shitty team.

The only point against JP that sticks with me is that this team doesn't have a clean up hitter. It's true and there are some band aids over bulletholes in its place.

However, if Alex Rios, Aaron Hill, Lyle Overbay, etc. were actually hitting like they're supposed to, this season would be completely different.

Fuck, if you RISP average was just twenty points better, it would be a different story.

Beau said...

Yea, and the bigger the space the worse it is you fucking
cock sucker.

adams said...

"Heterosexuality and extremity control are at odds with one another."

Dude, not saying I'm about to do Dancing With The Stars. Just saying I can knock back a few rye & gingers and head out on the floor without looking like a total douche. Granted, I'm white, so that may not even be possible.

"nails, adams (10:08 post, not the gaylord dancing thing)."

The ability to complement and insult somebody in the space of nine words is to be commended, sir!

"adams... just stop with the verbal blow job on JP... its sickening"

Dude, is it really wrong to like a guy who's got moxie and makes good moves? This team's not producing, and at this point (and only at this point) somebody is to blame. But it's certainly not the guy who's fielding a shitload of All-Stars who simply aren't playing like All-Stars.

(If you're going to disagree and say we don't have All-Star goods at CF, RF, 2B, 3B, maybe even 1B, and certainly up and down the pitching staff, we're clearly looking at different teams.)

Oh, and let me laugh one more time at the retard who even invoked Cito's name.

If we just ignore spaceless, think he'll go away?

Torgen said...

There was no increase in production in May. The runs per game have been steady at 4 every month. In April the team ERA was 3.75, in May it was under 3, and in June it's been 4.5.

sp said...

I just remembered the Cork Soaker skit on SNL a few years ago. Jimmy Fallon and Horatio Sanz (JP and Gibby?) were showing some tourists how Cork Soaking is done. And Janet Jackson was one of the tourists and she kept giggling and messing up "cork soakers".

I can't believe I actually miss the days of Jimmy Fallon on SNL.

the ack said...

seriously, when I'm watching games these days, I'm not screaming at Gibby, I'm not questioning why there is no talent on the roster, I am angry with the god damned cock suckers in the field who aren't performing worth the gross steaming pile of shit picture that Parksie was forced to post last night.

I fully expected Wells to give us .300 and 30 HR, Overbay to go for about .290 and 45 doubles, and Rios to go .300-20HR. How funny does that look right now? Can you imagine the shape the team would be in if those guys were even close to that projection? That's my response to critics who say JP has done an awful job.

And please, June 1 marked the end of acceptable Bonds pining time. Fuck off with that already.

sp said...

Honestly, the only thing I fault JP for this year is the Thomas fiasco. He fucked that up from the time he signed him and included that awful vesting option. And now we miss a big bat; although it's doubtful if even Thomas would've been enough. And the only fault I can think of for Gibby is not starting J-Mac EVERY time Doc pitchers. Other than that, it's absolutely all on the players. I'm not even asking for career numbers from them. Even if they just performed to their career AVERAGES, this team would be 7-10 games over .500 easily.

eli said...

Hey guys check out Dunn's response. If anything, it seems JP has burned a bridge with signing a FA:

I don’t know the clown. I don’t know, and you can use the word ‘clown’ if you like.

I’ve seen it, I haven’t heard it. I really don’t care what one guy thinks, to be honest with you. If I’m a G.M., I don’t know that I’d go out of my way to discredit a player -- if I’m a player. He’s obviously won more than me, I guess. Or hasn’t. I know nothing about him.

The players didn’t say anything, it’s just some clown sitting in a front office pushing paper. I don’t play for any other reason than the guys here. I’ve said it all along, it doesn’t bother me what people say or think, especially someone outside of the organization who has no idea of anything that goes on here. He’s not even in our country. This guy’s in another country talking ****.

He felt like he needed to say it for some reason, I have no idea why and I don’t care. He could be in this clubhouse right now, I wouldn’t know. I couldn’t tell you his name, what he looks like – he’s got a big mouth, that’s all I know about him.

I read it, I just read it. I don’t care. He doesn’t have to use my name, use someone else’s name. I’m not taking up for him, because I don’t care about him. I don’t know who he is. I’m not going to sit here and defend someone who’s going to sit there and say I don’t care about baseball. It pisses me off, to be honest with you. He doesn’t even know me. If he knew me, fine. Say what you want. But this guy doesn’t know anything about me other than what he sees on whatever SportsCenter they have on up there. That’s it.

It pisses me off. It does. I just told you it pisses me off when people who have no idea what the **** goes on around here and then say – I don’t give a **** what people say in this clubhouse, I don’t care, besides what’s said in here. I don’t care about the perception people have of me, if anything happens, it looks like I ain’t going to Toronto. I can eliminate one team.

I’m not converting my dollars into looneys and twoneys just yet. They’re really good, actually.

http://www.thelotd.com/ctrent/blog/2008/06/19/dunn_i_dont_know_the_clown

Anonymous said...

Adams, I never thought that you were insane but now I know , you are? Why are you such a cocksucker for JP? Unh? Does the bastard have pictures on you? All of your points make no fucking sense! PERIOD!

The team is in last fucking place , RETARD! They suck , get with the program. I know that you live on the planet Uranus so go back.

And least with fucking spaceless, he's not hurling insults every ten seconds at everybody. BUT you are a dweeby ,dicklicking loser go back to mummy's basement and go get laid. Ooops, that will cost money and you couldn't even get laid if you walked through a whorehouse with a thousand dollar bill in your right hand ! FUCK YOU, ASSHOLE! FUCK YOU TRIPLE TIME!

Beau said...

Zauner is getting it done lately. Zaun and only Zaun. He's Zaun right now.

Maybe it's because they took beer out of the clubhouse.

eli said...

This Dunn thing is classic. The Jays are on pace to hit the most double plays ever....they could use a guy that either k's or homers. With the Jays solid OBP and dreadful lack of SLG, Dunn would be a perfect fit. So for no reason, JP burns a bridge for a much needed player, who will also be here next week.

Anonymous said...

"I have bolded the things that make you A RETARD.

OH WAIT. THAT'S ALMOST ALL OF IT.

Fucking idiots, all of you. I've had it.

JP can't create clubhouse chemistry because Vernon and Alexis look like they don't care, but then clubhouse chemistry doesn't matter to you when it comes to Thomas or Dunn?

JP's an idiot for not signing Bonds? Then I guess every other GM in the league must be pretty stupid, too.

Everyone derided this team's lack of depth. So JP went out and got Scott Rolen, Marco Scutaro, Brad Wilkerson, Kevin Mench, Shannon Stewart, Rod Barajas, and, yes, even David Eckstein has contributed. Who did we lose for all that awesome? Fucking Reed, Benjie and Troy. How the fuck can you say that wasn't making major improvements to the team?

You say JP's too stubborn to be a GM in the Major Leagues. Oh? Would a stubborn person sign Reed and then turn right around and drop him? Would a stubborn person sign Johnny Mac and then again, much to my chagrin, sign Eckstein? Christ no! They'd stand by their original decisions regardless of how they worked out.

This is a fucking great team that is failing to perform. And you know what? I just convinced myself this team needs a new manager. It's the only fucking explanation for this much awesome pumping out this much suck."

Am I following this right? You're calling people retards, and then saying this is a great team? You're actually blaming their lack of success on their manager? Maybe you can explain what he's done wrong.

I seriously think you might be the one who is delusional, not everyone else.

the ack said...

This Dunn thing IS classic. maybe JP had a master plan to move some tickets for the game.

Easy on the redneck "up there" comments though, big guy.

And you stay classy, anonymous. PS "dick licking" would have been the more effective way to go there.

Anonymous said...

Oh and yes, Adams, every single team that is even remotely in contention in the AL should have atleast considered signing the best hitter in the league, Barry Bonds. It makes the Blue Jays organization look like a bunch of idiots that they didn't even think about it.

Anonymous said...

Oh and yes, Adams, every single team that is even remotely in contention in the AL should have atleast considered signing the best hitter in the league, Barry Bonds. It makes the Blue Jays organization look like a bunch of idiots that they didn't even think about it.

sp said...

anonymous clowns need to stop coming here and posting stupid comments. I can't even tell what the guy above me is doing. Is he quoting someone else and then shitting on him?

eli said...

plus the fact that Adam Dunn is giving sound managerial advice to JP Ricciard.

Anonymous said...

"Oh, and let me laugh one more time at the retard who even invoked Cito's name."

JP Ricciardi basically said yesterday he expected that Cito would be managing in the big leagues, and probably soon. Mike Wilner didn't entirely write off the idea this week either. It certainly isn't out of the realm of possibilities....he is working in the Jays organization right now beside Godfrey.

silvestre said...

In all seriousness, that was not smart of JP. There is no benefit to slagging Dunn like that and at length. Ignore that what he said was unverifiable, subjective and inane... why the hell would he do that? He knows how the media would run with it. Maybe he was just pissed off/drunk/high. Or all three. He probably went out dancing afterwards.

the ack said...

^^ that's the thing, isn't it? Just why in the good name of fuck would he do that on a radio call in show? He knew the attention this would draw. Maybe it's a master plan to deflect attention from the team. Wouldn't put it past the wily bastard....

sp said...

I just listened to it again and it sounds like he said it half out of frustration and half to avoid talking in depth about it. It's understandable that he didn't want to discuss possible trades in a public forum like that. He could've handled it much better though.

The thing to remember is that any other GM would say something stupid once in a while if they were on every Wednesday for an hour. You gotta at least give him props for getting on and taking the heat.

Dustin Parkes said...

Cito is out of the realm of possibility in Toronto. I will buy you season passes for next year if he's named full-time manager.

Beau said...

Dustin. Are we having our Coming A'rye've party this weekend? Maybe a texas mickey at wiffleball? Then we only need bring ice and water.

Stoeten said...

I dont really understand why a lot of you are taking some of the things JP has said at face value. You wouldn't do that for any other corporate executive, would you?

Stoeten said...

Beau, Saturday we're going Dutch. Holy fuck it's going to be amazing.

Beau said...

You faggots! What time is the game? Morning wiffleball?

Ryan said...

I can't remember a darker time to be a Blue Jays fan. JP really is Lord Sauron. Someone needs to toss him around the room a little.

sp said...

Seriously ryan? What about just last year in May with all the injuries piling up at once? Or the whole 2004 67 win season. Everyone thinks it can't get any worse than now but it definitely can get a LOT worse than this.

Beau said...

But it can't get a lot worse to watch . . . it's like watching Alex Gonzalez bat nine times in a row.

jay said...

There's been a lot of evidence around here lately pointing to how well JP has done as a GM...

He's average at best. Even if the good moves he's made have outweighed the bad, he's ultimately responsible for the product on the field.

Yes the players hit, field and pitch and JP can't control the way they play. But there are glaring holes (and have been) at several positions that haven't been addressed during JPs tenure.

LF, DH, SS - all holes when JP took over the team and despite trying to improve the situation, he hasn't.

Johnson/Stewart, Thomas/Stairs, Eckstien are the best he's been able to provide at each position since 2003 - all below average, DH being the best addressed of the 3.

Sure he might make good moves on the whole (especially with the pitching) but if you can't address your biggest needs over a 5 year period - you deserve to be cut.

adams said...

"LF, DH, SS - all holes when JP took over the team and despite trying to improve the situation, he hasn't."

I do just want to point out that LF and SS are traditionally the red-headed stepchildren of baseball positions. Doesn't invalidate your point, but it is worth saying that lots of, if not most, teams are pretty weak at LF and SS. What kid grows up saying "I wanna be a shortstop" when they could be a second baseman?

As for everyone else... grow some stones and put a name to your posts if you're going to slag on me, please. Or just go call Wilner, at least he gets paid to listen to you shit on the team!

sp said...

adams, when I was a kid all the kids, including me, wanted to play SS or 2B. What's so much better about 2B over SS? They are the most fun positions and get the most action other than the catcher. I agree about LF though.

Stedron said...

Beau - "But it can't get a lot worse to watch . . . it's like watching Alex Gonzalez bat nine times in a row."

I read this and laughed....then cried because it was true.

sp said...

And now this game is over...

jay said...

^^ adams

I'll give you that SS has traditionally been a position shallow with offensive talent, but I won't concede LF.

I'd say that the Jays have been in the bottom 1/3 of the league in terms of LF rankings.

Looking for studs in LF is like shooting fish in a barrel.

The following LFers are clearcut better options than the Jays have. Just a few past, current and future allstars on the list:

Gary Matthews
Carlos Lee
Ryan Braun
Ryan Ludwick
Alfonso Soriano
Juan Pierre
Raul Ibanez
Josh Willingham
Chase Headley
Pat Burrell
Jason Bay
Carl Crawford
Manny Ramirez
Adam Dunn!!?!?!
Matt Holiday
Delmon Young
Carlos Quentin
Johnny Damon

Now I'm not implying that JP could have got any of these guys, or that they are fits with the organization. I'm just trying to prove that there is talent at the position. JP hasn't improved the team's need to improve the position in his 5 year tenure.

Yes the LF options this year are better than when he came in. But was it enough?

Is it time to Free Adam Lind?

Dpedd61 said...

Think I must have stumbled on to the Leafs blog with all these nutty fucks wanting to constantly castrate the GM even though, by and large, he's doing a pretty decent job. Not having JFJ around to blame is really getting to the Leaf loving sect I guess.

But seriously, JP's condescending ways are fucking solid. He is smarter and knows more about baseball than us. Most GM's just read from the book of clichés but dude fucking brings the noise 9 times out of 10 when it comes to sound bites.

Let us also remember that there are 29 other teams in baseball and 13 other teams in the AL and all of their executives (and fans) want them to make the playoffs (some more than others - looking at you KC). The fact that the Jays aren't in the playoff picture isn't a colossal failure as some might think. Try being a Pirates fan, or a Royals fan, or a Rays fan up until now (and, much like the Pens in the NHL, being a complete bag of shit for so long has to turn you around eventually unless your management are a gaggle of retards).

the ack said...

dpedd61, that is a solid fucking piece of posting right there. When I hear snaggle-toothed Massholes go on and on about the Red Sawwwwwx, I ask them how many World Series titles their team has won in the last 90 fucking years.

Then I remind them the Jays have won 2 in the last 15.

Anonymous said...

"Oh, and let me laugh one more time at the retard who even invoked Cito's name."

I'm not sure what that makes you, anymore...adams.

Anonymous said...

Dustin Parkes said...
Cito is out of the realm of possibility in Toronto. I will buy you season passes for next year if he's named full-time manager.


Looks like Dustin is buying someone season tickets for next year ;)

Anonymous said...

Haha, that would be me. Not sure how I could prove it was me in any event, but there is satisfaction of being right, and these obnoxious guys being wrong. But alright, I'll take my passes :)

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