Jays Feeling Out Offers For Halladay?
Here is what Dan Graziano of the Newark Star-Ledger wrote in this morning's paper that I am about to call bullshit on.
The whispers just won't go away. Halladay is apparently unhappy in Toronto and has let management know it, and management has apparently responded by doing some quiet surveying of teams (such as St. Louis and the Dodgers) that are far, far away from the AL East in an effort to see what it could get for the 2003 Cy Young Award winner. Apparently, the returns other teams are getting for top-talent pitchers such as C.C. Sabathia, Rich Harden and Erik Bedard has inspired the Blue Jays to at least find out what it could get for one of the best pitchers in the American League. It remains unlikely that they'd deal him, but you never know.
Now... OK. Maybe it's possible that the Jays did try to gauge the market for the good doctor, but even if they did, I'm going to have to throw down a giant, pre-emptive simmer the fuck down to any twit who is going to jump on this "report" and make it sound like the great doomsday scenario is coming to fruition.
There is absolutely no way that Halladay gets dealt, in-season, by a castrated GM. Absolutely zero chance. Never, ever, ever going to happen-- and that's not to say that I even believe that the Jays would want to. But if for some reason they thought the prospect haul was just too overwhelming to resist, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that a Halladay trade wouldn't get an inch past the Godfreys or the Tony Viners of the world. There is way too much time left on Roy's contract to start worrying that they might not be able to re-sign him. A complete and total non-issue is what this is. (Interesting, though, huh?)
Hat tip to MLB Trade Rumors for the link.
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wow thats laughable.
Even if JP wanted to trade him there is no way ownership would let him. I think most fans would disown the team
Stoeten, FUCK YOU. Don't even make posts like these, because you lend credence to all this bullshit. Halladay isn't going anywhere, he said last night he' going to ask Rogers to extend him this offseason. Erase this now.
Loving your renewed interest in baseball btw, keep it up.
er, JP said last night
The dome would be burned to the ground if they traded Doc. Plus, if ownership had a hand in keeping Wells, they would never allow an GM to trade Doc. Period.
I think you're spot on regarding the likelihood of an in-season move -- it won't happen. If I'm Teddy Rogers I know how much Halladay means to the bottom line, and pissed off fans needn't be further agitated with a knee-jerk move like trading Doc.
These Jays are a slugging first basemen and a stud shortstop away from from competing, so why not buy instead of sell? If I'm the GM I'd keep Cito around to instill the good vibes, ride this bullshit season and promise both Doc and the fans that help is coming next year... same old tale, eh Roy?
5-1 Jays Bottom of 9
Hale made a really good point about Ricciardi supposedly being on the bubble or not having authority.
Why the fuck would he release Thomas and keep Lind down?
I can't believe he's that stupid to think Thomas wouldn't eventually produce better than the load of dump that's been platooning DH since. And the only logical reason to keep Lind down for so long would be to limit his service time.
Both these moves scream of a guy who's secure enough in his job to look long term.
Now, the Cito hiring. There's no fucking way that's his idea, but it doesn't mean he's done as GM. Why the fuck would they let him continue as the GM during such a vital time as the trade deadline if he were on his way out?
Parkes, don't teams do that sort of thing all the time? You don't see many in-season GM firings, and I'm sure it's not like those are all decisions made entirely at the end of a season.
I live down in NYC and Graziano is creating some Yankee like hype on this one. Right now, ther is no way that JP can trade Halladay. Burnett at this point could get a decent haul, but Halladay? If you do trade Halladay,then you do it off season and get maxium value. A Halladay trade would have to eclipse the Haren trade by leaps and bounds!
JP is an average GM. I am not sure there is a GM out there available that really is an upgrade.
Also baseball is such a crapshoot on what players will be healthy and play well. Besides a couple of the top pay roll teams it changes year by year.
Jays fans should be disappointed this year but I think Clevland and Detroit has more of a gripe.
You look at the starting lineup right now, and it is quiet an awful lineup.
The injury of hill really hurt them though, he was a solid doubles hitter, we could use his streaky bat.
I think in a few more weeks its time to sit stairs for the season and bring up some kids and see what the can do
I'll buy that for a dollar.
I can't think of a more important piece from purely a baseball standpoint than Roy Halladay. The only way I could somehow understand a trade was if a team were to offer a minimum of 2 major league players of Josh Hamilton, Ian Kinsler, Hanley Ramirez talent level and not many teams in baseball can offer shit like that.
I couldn't agree more about the previous son of a bitch saying we need a stud 1B and SS and this team would be entirely different. I think management should be turning Snider into a first basemen considering Wells, Rios and Lind are under control for quite a few years. That would give the lineup flexibility allowing Snider to be like a Jason Giambi who you could either play at 1B or DH. JESUS CHRIST! I'm still pretty sure that I was behind the firing of Gibbons and promotion of Lind last month because I'm so smart.
So the second game begins and Gaston decides to keep Scutaro in the lineup and leave Ecstein out of it. What has Ecstein done to piss off Gaston so much.
He is playing Brad Wilkerson in front of Eckstein how sad is that.
Maybe Eckstein isn't playing because Halladay is pitching.
For the record I think Scutaro is a useful player and I would rotate him around the infielders but he doesn't need to play everyday
Ya'll remember that around the time Thomas got released Lind missed about a week with a tight neck and was slumping? Or that the Jays picked up some so called 'major league fillins' to play the corners? Or that Lind was supposed to be down in the 'cuse all year this year?
Plans are meant to be changed.
If I were a GM in the position JP is in then I'd see what I can get for the best pitcher in the AL. Control artists with 94 MPH sinking fastballs do not grow on trees... He could get a real current ML position player and a crew of prospects. We also never know what Doc will be like in his 33+ years so why not trade him and make the team stronger down the road?
I'd love to see Doc in front of a serious offense. He could win 25 games.
(Another SB for Rios (27!). Too bad Overbay skulled that one...)
I don't understand all the JP-defending lately on DJF. Every time somebody stands up for JP, a small child dies
I'm not liking the way Halladay is looking so far thru the first 4 hitters. Command is off and the curve has more lateral movement than usual and he's not spotting the cutter at all
Well that's better than the usual kind of double play, but it's still not very good.
Why the hell is Lind still hitting behind Rolen and Stairs. Outrageous. Would those guys be insulted because they're "veterans" or something?
JP seeing what he can get for Doc is only him doing his job. But I agree that this team is probably two good hitters away from contending.
I was thumbin thru the minor league stats and saw this son of a bitch in low A Lansing with a 0.91 ERA and gives up only about .5H per 9IP and his strike rate is about 1.5K's per 9IP. So I start getting a boner for this fella named Tim Collins. I pull up his shit and the cock sucker says he's 5'7" 155 pound left hander. What in the wide world of sports is this guy all about? Does anyone know anything about this mighty mite?
Maybe Eckstein's not playing because Cito doesn't want to risk him ruining another player on our own team.
Unless you want to play him in CF and "risk" him running over into RF and knocking out Wilkerson...?
hmmm Rolen is battling Stairs for worst Jay in July. Never of them have given in yet by actually getting a hit. I have a feeling it may end up in a tie.
yer mama: He's 18 too... people that size don't seem to project well because of durability concerns. He's also a reliever so he might contribute.
The low hit and HR totals agree with his average walk total. I wouldn't get too excited though... apparently his stuff isn't that special.
Anyone watching the O's broadcast? I'm digging the lack of commercial breaks and general bushleagueness of it. I couldn't hear the interview with the twin.
Maybe Eckstein's sitting because I hate him.
60 pitches through 3. Not very Doc-ish. Hopefully he has 120 in him.
Are they going to play the rest of the rainout game after this one or how does that work?
i'm hoping the masn guys get caught saying something derogatory during the breaks.
people saying eckstein is the reason hill got cold cocked is so ludicrous. hill was called off, it was his own damn fault
The rainout game was already played. Jays won 5-1
The rainout game was already played. Jays won 5-1
Can the Jays hit the .500 mark ? I'm actually excited for some reason
.500 is the norm for this team, its not exciting.
adams, Eckstein hates you too! Psych........
Adam Jones has his eyes closed in his headshot on Yahoo sports.
A fourth place finish at .500, but with the prospect of a full year of Lind next year, and possibly a reliable Purcey and some hot hitters in AA gives some hope for the future. I just hope Hill comes back...
Anyone got the Baltimore TV link?
Remember people saying that the Jays won in 92-93 in spite of Cito.... Eckstein shouldn't be benched ,he's a gamer. The guy was a former WS MVP, meanwhile Scoot was known as Lil Papi! Keeping Eck on the bench is sheer stupidity, because how musch trade value does he have now? He's not playing so the other teams out there who might want him will try to get him cheap. Cito's decision to bench him is insane. Bring Eck back!
Leave him on the bench where he can't bobble any more grounders or knock out any more teammates.
Okay. Who is this Lind character? He's now batting .311 and .406 in the month of July. I think JP should be commended for finding this guy. Where'd he get Lind anyway? Trade? Off waivers?
Regardless, this pick up might actually save Ricciardi's job.
I'm pretty sure they'd trade Eck for a bag of doughnuts, a dozen balls, and a shammy to clean Cito's shades at this point. He has almost no value to speak of.
Alright, let's blow this game open
I for one prefer the current lack of playing time for Eckstein under Gaston over the "we got him to be our starting shortstop and leadoff hitter (no matter what)" mentality of Gibbons. Cito has said it many times: you perform well, you play. It's not like Eckstein doesn't get his chances to redeem himself on the field, but his last start at SS was again disappointing defensively.
Zauner! Nails!
.500 may not be exciting, but a series win and a winning road trip are both boner-worthy.
as is lind at .369/.385/.655/ since recall
Wiffleballs... I probably wouldn't pin that one on Gibbons as much as the puppetmaster.
Stoeten, are you saying Metallica actually runs the Blue Jays?
stoeten, point taken.
So you agree that Metallica actually runs the Jays?
"I for one prefer the current lack of playing time for Eckstein under Gaston over the "we got him to be our starting shortstop and leadoff hitter (no matter what)" mentality of Gibbons. Cito has said it many times: you perform well, you play. It's not like Eckstein doesn't get his chances to redeem himself on the field, but his last start at SS was again disappointing defensively."
wiffleballs: Not that you were the one saying it, but wasn't one of the chief knocks against Gibbers that he juggled the lineup too much, and everyone hailed Cito for keeping it a little more solid? And now we're knocking Gibbers for keeping it too solid, and hailing Cito for juggling it?
I don't follow. Something doesn't jive. Does a good manager keep the lineup solid? Or does a good manager juggle the lineup? Or does a good manager simply wear his uniform shell and a pair of pimpin' shades?
Definitely the shades make the manager, but don't forget the rocking mustache. Cito's crumb brush ranks in my Top 10. All-time.
adams...
You're right, I wasn't one to say that Gibbers juggled the lineup too much, BUT don't confuse two different things. My point has to do primarily with defense, not offense. How you set up the hitting order is a different matter entirely, which is probably why we've seen Eckstein DH'ing (yikes!). On the whole I agree with the view that, for now, Eckstein's shakiness on defense more than nullifies his positive contributions on offense. I'd still rather see someone else DH'ing though...
Hmmmm....I guess that sums up why Eckstein's playing so little...
Their RISP % Must be fairly decent today, every run is on singles and sac flies. Hopefully a sign of things to come.
Wiffly: fair enough, and yeah, my point wasn't so much about you as much as the "fans" in general. They'll defend Cito and attack Gibbers right now regardless of common sense, which is pretty natural when a manager with lukewarm popularity gets replaced. It's still a bit of a load though.
I understand your point on lineup and gloves being different, but at the same time I don't... I mean, 8 of the 9 guys in the field are also in the lineup, right? So a stable lineup equals a stable field, right? I mean, you're probably not arguing for stability at all, and I'm in total agreement with you on Eckstein. He shouldn't be playing. But when you say "how you set up the hitting order is a different matter entirely," what do you mean by that? I'm curious.
I just feel like I'm failing to connect something in what you're saying, much like Parkes failed to connect with his father during his childhood. Unlike Parkes, though, I'd prefer to avoid winding up in the arms of Stoeten.
FIVE HUNDRED . . . BITCHES !!!!
adams, Rogers is paying Eckstein 4.5 mill US to do what? Warm his ass on a bench? You would make a terrible GM! BTW, you already make a horrible human being........ so you would be in good company with JP then. David told me that he wants you benched too. One more thing, didn't Hill knock into him? Then that was Hill's fault. And look at what happened to Hill, he's become the Jay's version of Ryan Church. At least Church didn't go for a ball that a teammate called for. That's what makes the injury so pathetic.
There's a pretty good little post about AJ on FanGraphs that outlines his expected numbers for the rest of the year. But it doesn't include wins, so I'm not sure if he'll be a .500 pitcher or not.
Yeah, adams. Quit being a horrible human being.
Bol: Again I think I'm being confused with a once-vaunted shortstop prospect. Although, to think my Russ Adams autograph will never appreciate... a darned shame.
Anon: what does salary have to do with a player sucking? I didn't like the signing in the first place; I think he's a useless player; and if your point about his salary is "he's being paid so he should be played," that's a terrible argument. Better to waste money than innings; only one of those things are actually directly involved in the winning of ballgames.
adams,
I guess my thinking is that stable lineup does not equal stable batting ORDER. Setting a batting order is more of an art than deciding which players should play at certain positions in the field, which is more self-evident. In this specific case of whether Eckstein should be in the starting lineup, you have to balance his bat with his defense if you play him at SS.
Obviously that's considered for all players in making your lineup for a game, but at least in the AL there's a pace for the defensively challenged SOMEWHERE in the batting order. The same doesn't apply the other way around, i.e. there is no "designated defender", otherwise JMac would be starting every day instead of being used as a defensive sub later in games.
I know this is an obtuse way of thinking about this...so I'll just shut up now. The beer isn't helping anyway.
wiffle, I call bullshit: beer always helps.
Let's think about this logically. How the fuck would some douche from Newark have this scoop before anyone else? You would think that someone from the times or post would have a better inside contact than this dingle-berry, otherwise he would be writing for them.
Realizing the Jays are 2 runs behind Anaheim and 8 behind Tampa in run differential makes me want to hang myself. And Cleveland is 12 games below .500 with a +8 run differential. That is no easy feat.
Fucking eh! I have a VW story from the MLS all-star game, so my post about a soccer match now will be baseball-relevant. Guilt-free soccer posts... I fucking love it.
Vernon's still limping extremely noticeably, FYI. Pretty sure he's not even close to that 6'1 he's listed as (on Baseball Reference, at least), either.
In the absence of any baseball last night I watched the CFL game between Calgary and Winnipeg. A lot of you around here like to shit on the CFL but man, it was an exciting game with 2 lead changes in the last 2 minutes.
How were the first 58 minutes?
Seriously, it was a good game. 2 really good quarterbacks made for a good passing game.
Is it sad that part of the reason I'm going to Sunday's game is to get a free Alex Rios figurine?
Does anyone know if section 113C (right field line) is any good?
Ian - If it's anything like the last time I was there, you will be sitting by yourself. You should buy some food and look to move closer to the infield.
Thanks Stedron, I'll see if I can pull a good old DJF and sneak in a mickey of JD too.
Send him back home to colorado. We'll give you Clint Barmes. great trade for you guys :)
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