Jays Throw in the Towel, Fans Are Pissed, Confused
I'll be the first to admit that I've been pissing on fires all season-- though mostly in April and May, when the it was retarded-- whenever anybody has suggested that the Jays season was over. So maybe it will sound strange for me to say this, knowing that at the time I would have said, "Sure, they could still possibly turn it around," but why the fuck has Dustin McGowan been pitching with a sore shoulder? What fucking universe does that make sense in, except one where people are mortgaging a guy's future to save their jobs?
OK, that's probably way too cynical. And yes, I'm always the first to jump to the defense of the Jays' front office when people make ridiculous suggestions that they're rushing guys back and flagrantly ignoring medical advice. So maybe I'm just being a hysterical asshole here, but it really does strike me as very odd and pointless that through his last few starts, anyone would have allowed McGowan to pitch hurt-- assuming he even told anyone about it.
Maybe I'm way over the line here, but it's not like nobody saw an injury coming. Back in February SI's Tom Verducci wrote that "the unofficial industry standard is that no young pitcher should throw more than 30 more innings than he did the previous season," as he included McGowan on a list of seven young pitchers who could be injury risks.
His reasoning? "The Jays pushed McGowan to 191 2/3 innings last year, a leap of 80 1/3 innings from 2006, when he pitched out of the bullpen"-- though he did qualify that by saying that the risk was diminished because McGowan was older and had more innings under his belt than the others on his list.
Still, I don't know, maybe a little more caution could have been exercised? I guess that's really easy to say now, as we cross our fingers for his MRI.
It's Over, It's Over, It's Oooover. . . IT'S OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO-VER!!!
So, Ricciardi and Gaston pretty much threw in the towel last night. OK. Cool, let's do it. Sounds like Snider, Cecil and Arencibia might come up in September. Nice! Burnett, Zaun, Stairs and Eckstein will probably (hopefully?) be gone in a month. Super! That's really all I have to say about it. Except, well... not really sure why Ricciardi should be the guy deciding who the Jays are getting back in whatever deals they make-- but maybe he really isn't.
And, you know, as shitty as it is that the Jays are out of it, it's almost refreshing that, for the first time in years, there's no ambiguity as to whether the Jays are buyers or sellers. JP obviously didn't learn from Billy Beane-- who just traded his best pitcher, despite being 4 games out of the Wild Card-- how to figure out when the time is right to throw in the towel. How many times has Ricciardi held firm that he team could make a run at a playoff berth, when they really should have known better.
Of course, I guess I've always felt that standing pat at those times had more to do with the Rogers suits than Ricciardi-- or more correctly, JP's understanding that it was in his own interest not to deflate the fanbase by raising the white flag. Even the failure to trade Vernon Wells-- which, in hindsight, probably would have drastically improved the Jays' fortunes-- likely had as much to do with Godfrey as it did JP.
So... ? I don't know.
Smokin' Poll
Like any number of other outlets, the Globe and Mail runs a daily poll on their GlobeSports.com website, which allows visitors to the site to weigh in on whatever happens to be going on that day in the world of sports. Also like all these other outlets, the Globe's polls are almost always pointless and boring.
The past couple of days, however, we seem to have an exception, as they asked: "Does Jays GM JP Ricciardi have the franchise moving in the right direction?" And as of 2:30 p.m. on Wednesday, through over 600 votes, eighty-eight percent of the respondents said No.
Holy shit! Sure, it's not a scientific poll, and I know it's a really small sample size, and that this ought to be seriously fucking obvious, but, uh... but people are fed up.
Honestly, though, it still surprised me how low his approval was-- did the Gord Ash era ever get so bad?-- mostly because, well... as much as I'm ready as anyone to flush this front office for the sake of a new perspective, it's actually pretty hard to argue that this team isn't moving in the right direction. They're just kind of not doing it fast enough.
No, seriously.
The way the Jays have setup both their movable parts and the ones they're locked into makes sense.
No, seriously.
True, the Wells contract looks awful. And, OK... the Rios contract looks like it could quickly go south too, if Alex doesn't get his head out of his ass. But Wells is still a valuable player-- if not as valuable as his salary might indicate-- and Rios can't possibly be this bad, can he? And, while that's not much for a fan to hang his hat on, I don't have a problem thinking of it the way Alex Anthopoulos put it when he was on the Fan 590's Bullpen earlier in the week. His spin on it was that, even though a gigantic chunk of the budget is heading for Vernon's pocket in the coming years, the Jays have guys like Lind, Snider, Arencibia, Cecil and Purcey who should be cheaply occupying roster spots in the majors sooner than later-- along with pitchers like Marcum, McGowan, Litsch, League, Accardo, Janssen, Wolfe, etc., who are already there and under control for a long time.
Kind of a best case scenario, I know, but as much as people bemoan the farm system, and as much as they think that this team is only built to "win now", that's just not true. Wells, Rios and Hill are the least movable hitters right now, because of their contracts, and they're also the ones you'd least like to move-- apart from some of the prospects. With the Thomas money and the Burnett money coming off the books next year, there really ought to be a creative way to plug the holes at shortstop and DH. No? (I think (hope?) they've got enough catching prospects to find a solution internally.)
Does this like a gigantic fucking contradiction compared to everything else I've said? Well... these are confusing times. These are confusing times...
Oh, and hey, Ken Rosenthal has reminded us (via MLB Trade Rumors) that AJ can block trades to 15 teams. Awesome.


38 rational and reasonable comments:
Shouldn't be surprising that the masses feel the team isn't headed in the right direction. Most people probably just look at the standings........which I haven't had the stomach to do in about 2 weeks.
P-P-P-PLAYOFFS!!!
I wish we traded Rios for Lincecum
Id like to second the motion by Mono
Apparently JP isn't so stupid. According to Ken Rosenthal, he offered Burnett for JJ Hardy. His mind is in the right place.
""Blue Jays. David Eckstein is on a one-year deal, and Marco Scutaro is not a long-term answer. The Jays recently offered Burnett for Hardy, according to a major-league source, but the Brewers have no interest in breaking up their major-league club — and in Sabathia, they acquired a better pitcher.""
It might have also forced JP to do something to improve the offense sooner, if Rios hadn't been around shitting the bed. But come on, Sabean would have had to lose his mind to have done that deal-- though I don't think he's above that.
As for RIos and Lincecum, when it was going down I had the impression that it could have gotten done if JP included some pitching tacked on. There were quotes like "JP doesn't want to add in any pitching." My guess it would have taken Litsch.
Would you have done that deal in retrospect, Litsch and Rios for Lincecum?
Probably yes.
Also, let's not give up on Rios yet. He's on a 6 year deal and his non-power hitting is coming around. If he can just start hitting some homers again, he could still be a very good player. Maybe next year.
Yeah, JP's record in trades is generally pretty good-- in my opinion. I know people don't care for the Glaus and Overbay deals, but I don't really get that.
Also to further my 3:46 comment, the Shea Hillenbrand trade had a similar structure. Hillenbrand plus Chulk for a better reliever, Accardo.
The retrospect on Glaus and Overbay were fine. Hudson brings as much value to a team as Glaus, but was cheaper. It did open up a whole at SS that was gaping, but that's kind of another issue - had Adams worked out the deal would have been great cause we really didn't have another 3b. And Glaus ended up begetting Rolen.
WIth Overbay I thought it was an overpayment at the time. As it turns out, it was essentially Dave Bush for Overbay. Again probably equal. Neither are that good now.
I wasn't too wild about the Overbay extension however. A guy with old player skills into his 33 and 34 years. If Overbay loses his medium power he becomes unplayable at his position. And Lind could have taken over for cheap.
Yeah, he's owed $14m over the next two years. Not good if he can't get his shit together. But not wholly unmovable like Wells, either. Though maybe not without eating some money.
Yeah, Litsch I would have done, but I really don't think that would have been enough. Maybe Purcey. More likely Marcum or McGowan-- which I think JP was right to refuse.
I think more than anyone, Overbay got Denboed. Even his hard hit balls seem to be going to left. Come on Lyle, pull it. Puuuullllll it.
He'll probably never hit 20 HR again, but you'd hope he'd still see 40 doubles under the magical guidance of Geno Gaston.
But come on, Sabean would have had to lose his mind to have done that deal-- though I don't think he's above that.
Sabean was on the verge of making that move, and only fan reaction (plus maybe the burning memory of Shea Hillenbrand) stopped him. He even went out and sign Aaron Rowand to a retarded deal so he would have an excuse to decline the trade.
Yeah... hahaha... that's why I kind of checked myself. No matter how much anyone hates JP, at least he's not Sabean. It's unbelievable that guy is still employed.
I'd say the Overbay deal was more than OK. Dave Bush is a marginal major leaguer, while Overbay belongs. Is he a star? No. But even in a down year like this one, he's 7th out of 13 qualified 1B's in the AL in OPS, right in and around Pena, Kotchman, Swisher and Millar. Those first 3 are all on first-place clubs, incidentally, none with an OPS higher than .772, so really, you CAN win without great production from your first baseman.
But before people start arguing with me, obviously I'm pretty unhappy with how he's hit this year. Same goes for Wells and Rios. Hill, too, before he got hurt.
I just think we got spoiled by Overbay during his first season and with his hand injury last year we basically gave him a free pass. Now he is playing average and since everyone else is shitting the bed it is just super magnified.
since everyone else is shitting the bed it is just super magnified.
I totally agree, and it holds equally for those other bed-shitters.
Fan reporting that McGowan is on the DL....Wolfe-man is back.
Oh, and I can't wait to see Snider in September. I also can't wait to hear the freaks who will either declare that "Snider is the savior" or "Snider is a bust, JP can't draft right" depending on the results of a very small sample.
YEAH THE JAYS ARE DONE
THROW IN THE TOWEL BEFORE THE ALL STAR BREAK!!!
With pitching like the Blue Jays have, you can't seriously go on a winning streak!
Agreed... though I might be even more interested in Arencibia. Could the Jays actually have a legit, good, young catcher?
With pitching like the Blue Jays have, you can't seriously go on a winning streak!
Huh?
time for another flame war!?!?
Agreed... though I might be even more interested in Arencibia. Could the Jays actually have a legit, good, young catcher?
I'm equally interested in Arencibia, especially after hearing that some of the Jays' players were really impressed with him when down in Dunedin on rehab.
Snider's name has been around a year longer and he's been more widely talked about, so he's more liable to either being called the savior or an over-hyped bum.
Huh?
I believe he means that they can only go on a winning streak jokingly.
As to the white flag--I'm just gonna repost what I dropped on Wilner's blog (Best Regards included bien sur):
The optimist in me is thinking that these statements are just a ploy to take the pressure off the team (especially the hitters).
When the pressure is on–especially in the late innings it seems both the bullpen and the bats falter (last night notwithstanding). Over the previous two seasons when it was thought the Jays might have a shot they scuffled through the summer months (esp. after the ASG) due to injury or some other reason but once the pressure of the pennant race is completely off, the Jays relax and hit the ball better.
Last season they finished up 9-4 batting .269/.349/.428 (.369 with RISP) after hitting .260/.322/.409 to that point of the season post All Star break, and in 2006 after hitting .265/.324/.426 after the All Star Game, heated up at the end batting .302/.361/.486 (.295 with RISP) over the last 17 games winning 12.
In both cases, nothing was riding on the game insofar as the post season was concerned and they were merely playing out the string. In that pressure-free environment the bats loosened up–maybe Gaston and Ricciardi are trying to recreate that pressure-free “Nothing is riding on this boys–just go out and have fun” environment earlier in the season to get the bats going.
With the upcoming schedule there would be no better time to inform the troops that nothing is riding on those games–they went 11-6 against the Yankees and Bo Sox under those circumstances in 2006 and 2007.
You don’t want to know what the pessimist in me is thinking–I’d hate to get banned from the blog after only two posts.
Best Regards
John
Anyone else catch JP this morning/yesterday calling out Rios again? Reminiscent of the same stunt he pulled with Rios/Wells/Glaus a ways back. Stop doing that on TV!
That was my first question mark about the McGowan thing - why he'd been pitching sore. I doubt he was pulling the wool over anyone's eyes either, he's been off for ages and I'm positive someone would have thrown the injury card out there. They knew.
Uh, what else. Overbay? I had a huge depressing argument about him with my friend at the park last night during that drawn out failure of the first five innings... she's all angsty and bullshit because he's been hitting like a war amp, but I was trying to explain to her that unless Russ Adams is throwing, he's a stupidly reliable first baseman, which is easily enough overlooked.
September callups! Wooo!
Cat fight?
john brattain: That's exactly what my inner optimist was thinking, too... it'll be interesting to see if they actually improve at all without pressure. The realist in me figures there's no way it's true, but forcefully taking the pressure off a team that consistently and collectively shits the bed whenever there's even a hint of pressure (they can't hit with guys on base, have you heard?), it's not a bad strategy.
To what end, though? If they start nailing it, they'll end up playing those pressure-filled games again.
Hopefully all those prospects mentioned pan out and produce soon. 2009 could be an interesting season but 2010 is starting to look like "the" year.
For what it's worth, JP Arencibia still hasn't drawn a walk in AA. I'm not sure what I think about that.
Yes, baseball catfight.
I doubt JP throwing up his hands was the cue the team was waiting for to start mailing it in. I'm pretty sure they are able to decipher that themselves.
Meow!
If the season's over they can send me some more free tickets.
My ideal male cat fight would not involve J.P.
Rios fucking deserves to be called out in public, that asshole.
Not sure why everyone's going crazy about Dusty pitching hurt. Pitchers do that all the time. It's stupid, but they do it. This better not be related to him going 9 innings against Seattle on June 10. That was fucking RETARDED of Cito to let him go that long in a decided game.
I hate baseball.
stoeten: I don't think this is Billy Beane throwing up the white flag at all. Gallagher, Murton, and Patterson can all make significant contributions right away, and they are only 5-6 games back of the Angels (a team that's basically been a fluke to this point in the year when you look at their 3rd order standings). Trading away Rich Harden is a great sell-high, but they aren't even anywhere close to out of it this season.
Sure he deserves it, but it's still pretty fucking dumb, all things considered. It's not like he, every fan, and every person in the clubhouse capable of formulative thought doesn't already know, though... there's really no need. Like Vernon said last year, it's better for the players to feel like their GM is backing them... not personally throwing them into the street and backing over them with his hick pickup truck before a gathered crowd. Basically, just keep your lying mouth shut.
Yeah, I'm with Sarah about Overbay being "stupidly reliable". (Nice, by the way). More than a few times Johnny Mac has looked awesome 'cuz Lyle made nice work of a dirtball or a hopper.
FUCK YOU AJ!!
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