Thursday, November 27, 2008

Scott Carson Misses The Mark

I understand that this has been one of the quietest baseball off seasons of recent memory, but seriously, are all baseball writers paid on a per story basis with bonus dollars thrown in for the more vague and rambling their articles are?

I ask because between Marty York's source spots and Richard Griffin's sexual tension with P.R. Ricciardi, we've become a little more corrosive than usual at DJF to the baseball stories currently being churned out. Or maybe we're just all responding to the loss of Fire Joe Morgan in different ways.

Add Sportsnet's Scott Carson to the list of incompetent opinion blasters. In his latest blog entry, Carson suggests that due to the Jays inability (thank you economy) to sign free agents this winter, they should blow up the team and start anew, keeping only Travis Snider and Roy Halladay.

For the time being, let's ignore how thrilled Halladay would be over the prospect of more rebuilding seasons. I still don't believe it's in the best interest of the Blue Jays to blow up the team. I also don't think that without major improvements to the squad, the Jays will be remotely close to competing for a playoff spot this coming season. I'm more of the mind that if the Jays truly want to build a winner, they would scratch this season and reload for 2010.

However, I'm open to the argument of rebuilding. In fact, I prefer it to Griffin's earlier suggestion to start trading prospects to bring in some decaying talent. Unfortunately, Carson's rebuilding plans sound like little more than a caller phoning in to a late night edition of Jays Talk.

At present, there are only two current Blue Jays that I would deem untouchable: Halladay and Travis Snider. Everyone else should be dangled for trade when the General Managers get back together for the annual baseball winter meetings, scheduled this year for December 8-11 in Las Vegas. To get something of quality, you have to give up something of quality and, with that in mind, that means some prospects have to be exposed along with Vernon Wells, Alex Rios, B.J. Ryan, Lyle Overbay and Scott Rolen - all with multi-year, multi-million dollar deals - have to thrown in to the trade mix if the Jays are ever going to become more than a third place team in baseball's toughest division.

Wow. You don't say. Now, as the third man in the booth for Rogers Blue Jays telecasts, Mr. Carson must see a lot of baseball games. However, even accounting for the loss of brain cells that is bound to occur from regular proximity to Jamie Campbell and Rance Mulliniks for long stretches of time, how can anyone with the slightest mind for baseball make such a pinheaded suggestion?

First of all, trading away "some prospects" in order to rebuild really isn't going to get you too far into the process. It's like feeding a cow its own shit. Eventually you're going to run out of cow shit, cow food and then the cow.

Secondly, how on fuck's earth can you possibly imagine that any team in its right mind would embrace being saddled with Wells or Rolen's contract? You know that whole economic downturn that's affecting the Jays, well it also happens to be affecting a shitload of other teams out there too. Thus the lack of free agent movement you dickhead.

In order to move those guys you're suggesting, the Jays would have to agree to pay a large chunk of change for multiple years to any team willing to take them. There's no true unburdening themselves of those contracts. Even moving Lyle Overbay would likely include some contract eating.

While shopping Alex Rios, the team's best player last season, is all fine and dandy, I don't think the return is going to be quite what you expect. I can agree with you that giving up B.J. Ryan makes some sense, but this off season is also working against the Jays in other ways. It has to be the worst winter in years to try to move a closer because there are so many available through free agency. The only potential plus for acquiring Ryan is that he only has two years left on his contract while the big name free agent closers are looking for much longer deals.

In other words, now is not the time to blow up this team. It would honestly set this franchise even further back. The best thing to do is try to throw another season of mediocre baseball at the fan base and hope that attendance and television ratings don't slip too badly.

Look to 2010 when the team's prospects from the great drafts of 2006 and 2007 have another year under their belt, the pitching staff will hopefully be healthier and the veterans of the team will be in the final year of their contracts. We can call the season The 2010 Jays: Ricciardi's Last Stand.

71 rational and reasonable comments:

Anonymous said...

Fuck off Parkes

Clint said...

Well, according to the Sun this morning JP has admitted there may be a payroll cut this year, so playing for 2010 seems even more likely.

http://www.torontosun.com/sports/baseball/2008/11/27/7549416-sun.html

Carson does seem a bit delusional in that article, Rolen is presently untradeable and perhaps the only team that would touch Well's contract could be the Yankee's, as they don't seem too interested in having the Milkman back in center. Not that the Jays would ever trade Wells to the Yankees, unless the dollar drops another .20 cents or so.

Anonymous said...

I used to be a proponent of writing off 2009 and gunning for 2010, but the more I think about it, the more it seems like one of those perpetually receding mirages that Jays fans have become accustomed to.

The problem is that in 2010 the team will still be plagued by the perennial issue of too many average players + not enough exceptional ones. That's unlikely to change, unless Rogers substantially increases payroll. For me, the main issues with the 2010 theory are:

- Still-fierce competition from the Rays, Red Sox and Yankees

- Many Jays prospects are still several years away. Even the ones who could become regulars by 2010 (Snider, Arencibia, Cecil, Cooper) may not hit their stride until 2011 or 2012

- The team has a relatively high average age. Halladay, Rolen, Overbay, Ryan, Wells, Scutaro, McDonald, Downs and others will be a year older - and some of them will be in decline. Does anyone really want to count on Rolen in 2010? Which again raises the issue of SS or 3B prospects; namely, that the Jays don't have any that will be ready by then

- It assumes that the pitching will hold up. Can McGowan and Janssen recover from shoulder surgery? Can Marcum (who relies heavily on control) recover from TJ surgery? Will the league figure out Litsch?

I agree with Keith Law, who says that the team (as currently constituted) is built to win now. That's not to say that the Jays don't have an improved farm system - they do. But placing all our hopes on one blowout year (which Rogers will probably try to achieve on a budget) in 2010 seems delusional.

Anonymous said...

If the team is built to win now, then the team will only be better next season. Marcum has a year plus to recover, McGowan has this season to get back on track. The pitching will be back to what it was or at least close. You make a couple key trades, open up space at 1B, find a middle of the order DH, and everything is back on track. And they can start targeting their current prospects this season to play in 2010. I think it's a good mix.

Stoeten said...

Clint, if that is your real name, there's no admission in that article that I can see. Except the title.

In fact, the original, CP story's title was: "Blue Jays may have less to spend than initially anticipated this off-season."

That's because, as the article says, "hints of a possible slight increase in payroll back when the season ended have given way to a much less rosy outlook."

The Sun probably thought that the original title would be too confusing for their readers, and published it under the more misleading title: "Blue Jays admit payroll may be on the decline". At least, that's what I appear to be seeing here. . .

Which isn't to say that I'm in denial that the Jays payroll might technically go down. But they're obviously willing to accommodate Burnett at a very high rate-- like they would have been anyway if he didn't opt out-- so it's not like they have nothing and are going to stand pat out of necessity, which is sort of the implication.

Joe said...

They still need outside starting pitching help, be it 2009 or 2010, to replace the one of Marcum, McGowan or the range of farmhands who will inevitably shit the bed.

One big (lefty?) bat, one pitcher - that's all this team needs to make the playoffs.

Of course, I am home sick today, so maybe I'm the delusional one. Cough.

CheapSeats said...
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CheapSeats said...

Wait.
Let me get this straight.

It is November, and you are already making excuses for why we are losing in 2009? Mailing it in already?

This is why it is so frustrating to be a Blue Jays fan. There always seems to be a "grass will be greener on the other side" theme.

I for one am tired of climbing this frickin' mountain. I am ready to see some of this green grass.

Stoeten said...

OK, seriously... what is with people's obsession of ditching Lyle Overbay?

Guess what, folks, next in line at 1B is David "Lyle Overbay" Cooper. Get used to it. 1B doesn't AT ALL have to be a power position.

I've done this before, and I bet this isn't the last time I'll do it either... Here are the primary first basemen (and their home run totals) for five of the last nine World Series winning teams.

Youkilis - 16
Millar - 18
Spezio - 12
Grace - 15
Martinez - 15

Stoeten said...

Er... obsession with.

Clint said...

Good point Stoeten, I was carried away with the title I suppose.

On a side note, just curious why everytime I post the validity of my name gets questioned?

Dustin Parkes said...

Look at the four you excluded:

Ryan Howard 48
Albert Pujols 49
Paul Konerko 40
Derek Lee 31

Also, the Red Sox having David Ortiz helps with less slugging production at 1B.

I'm usually arguing against people who say that power has to come from a certain position, and I'm not agreeing with them now. What I'm saying is that Overbay isn't a good fit on a team that needs more power. What position is most easily filled with a power hitter?

The Ack said...

Fuck 2010.

Dustin Parkes said...

Good points by anon at 11:23.

I still see that the Jays overall capital as a team will be more valuable in 2010.

Their rotation will be more flushed out, the younger players will be MLB ready and the veterans left won't be too obnoxious.

I could see Ryan, Overbay, Scutaro, McDonald and perhaps Downs all gone by 2010 as well.

Stoeten said...

Parkes, isn't there a Frank Thomas-sized hole at DH?

Clint, we know a guy named Clint. Pretty sure he was Dusty Sparkes. He might also be one of the Fuck off Parkes guys.

Dustin Parkes said...

$18 million tied up in Overbay and Rolen for 2010 hurts.

Dustin Parkes said...

Yeah, a July-August-September Frank Thomas would make Overbay alright. Although maybe not $14 million over the next two years alright.

Josh Cash said...

All of you fucks are in DENIAL. This team is gonna suck for awhile. Relying on injury prone young pitchers is nuts. These guys only showed flashes of promise before they got hurt, there is simply no track record. yes its true of all injured pitchers but these guys are young, unproven and with their significant injuries have probably lost their fearlessness. Mentally they could be fucked for a while.
ALSO WAKE THE FUCK UP THE ECONOMY IS IN THE SHITTER AND THE DOLLAR IS DROPPING, SOMEONE HAS SAID IT BEFORE THE JAYS PAYOUT IN USD and BRING IN CAD.

Stoeten said...

True.

Now, call me a hopeless optimist, and an idiot for looking at such a small sample size, but after Rolen came back for good on August 29th his numbers were:

.298/.350/.532/.882 with 4 HR and 8 doubles in 103 plate appearances.

Yeah, I guess I've drank the Kool-Aid on the lowering his hands thing, but I really think he can still contribute. Dumb, probably, but I do.

Stoeten said...

What Josh said isn't true-- pretty ridiculous, apart from the USD thing, in fact-- I was talking about Parkes's comments.

Stoeten said...

OK... ridiculous might be a touch too strong.

wheeler said...

an .882 OPS from Rolen would give me a perma-chubb

Dustin Parkes said...

I'll agree that McGowan has to do more to prove himself, but he definitely has the stuff to do it. Marcum on the other hand has more than proven himself as an effective starting pitcher over the last two seasons. No one is saying that these guys are aces (that's what Roy is for), but they fill out a rotation quite nicely.

As for calling them injury prone pitchers, well, you're a complete fucking moron. They've lost their fearlessness? Are you fucking kidding me?

Financially, it's a bit more complicated than that. I don't totally understand (so you must be completely lost), but I think it goes something like this:

The Jays receive 65% CDN income and 35% US and pay out 80% US and 20% CDN. Like any other Canadian company dealing in American dollars they'd be properly invested in futures. That's why they didn't go crazy spending when the dollar went up. I'm also sure that the Jays will get some discretionary spending from the commissioner's office. It's not as bad as they're currently making it out to be, and no matter what happens with the team, Rogers will never report any earnings from the baseball team because it makes more sense to make the earnings appear elsewhere. The Jays are in no way properly compensated for being a content filler on Rogers Sportsnet or an enormous billboard for Rogers in general.

Dustin Parkes said...

No, I'm pretty sure Josh is fucking ridiculous.

Dustin Parkes said...

But since he wrote it in capital letters he had me confused for a little while.

wheeler said...

Dammit Parkes, your logic is getting me pissed at Rogers. Is there 1 fucking reason why the Jays payroll shouldn't be $150 million, or more?

Fuck!

Tim Jaworski said...

Mcgowan has had TJ and now a torn labrum, two major fucking injuries. Marcum has NEVER made it through an entire MLB season as a starter, yes effectyve but your sample size is somewhat small. MARCUM could still turn out to be Chacin,
Chacin has only pitched 60 less innings, and both pitched in the majors for parts of 4 seasons.

CHACIN - 25–15
Earned run average 4.18
Strikeouts 185

MARCUM 24-17
Earned run average 3.95
Strikeouts 314

Dustin Parkes said...

I didn't mean to suggest that the Jays are making money hand over fist, just that it's not as terrible as they make it out. It's probably a good choice not to go after free agents this offseason.

If I remember correctly, hasn't Rogers dolled out budgets in three year overviews in the past?

Prospective 2010 Free Agents: http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2001/05/2010-free-agents.html

One question that I have though is whether or not Ricciardi's job security will let him wait a year. I doubt it.

Wouldn't it be hilarious to see Ricciardi fired, and then a new GM make only a couple of moves to be a contender in 2010?

Anonymous said...

It's worth noting that Rogers' stock has performed relatively well during the financial meltdown. I think a lot of investors are counting on Main Street not wanting to cut back on their cell phone usage and internet plans.

Still, Rogers is doing the prudent thing by reining in expenses. At least until global markets and the banking system recovers. It just sucks if you're a Jays fan. I've been opposed to a fire sale and rebuilding, but the recent crisis is making me think twice. In a way, the current fiscal reality is recasting JP as the "having-to-win-on-a-shoestring" GM (not that he ever actually won on a shoestring).

CLINT said...

Fuck off Parkes, who are you Wilner. That Josh guy made some valid points, those guys are still question marks, yes they have had some success, but they are being thought of on this blog as being the ultimate key to success in 2010
The team is still missing a shortstop, dh, hopefully they won't need a third baseman, and hopefully snider and or lind don't fuck up in any way. There are still just too many ifs and thats what makes fans cringe. The dollar situation doesn't help much either, hope attendance doesn't suffer if people dont haev extra money to spend.

Anonymous said...

JP hasn't won on a shoestring or a big budget, he probably hasn't even won in a fantasy league either!

Anonymous said...

The Yankees will sign the top players this year since they want to be competitive in the New Ball Park. Boston and Tampa will be good like last year although I expect Tampa to take a step back. Most young players have an off year after career years.

Truthfully, unless the Jays add a couple of bats and a number 2 pitcher they will not have a hope of playoffs next year. The team is not that good and having to play the Yanks, Sox, and Ray 54 times does not help the record come Wild card time.

I predict the Jays will finish 3rd in the division and that the Yanks will win the series. I hate the Yanks but I see them picking up CC and Texeria plus another guy. I think AJ will go to Baltimore they will offer him a shitload of money, and he will spend half the time on the disabled list so it will be nice to be close to family.

Dustin Parkes said...

McGowan had a frayed labrum, not a torn labrum. Very different. His TJ, which almost every pitcher gets nowadays, was five years ago.

Shaun Marcum is nothing like Gustavo Chacin. In his first two full seasons as a starter, Chacin's WHIP was 1.40 and 1.47. Marcum's 1.25 (including a shoddy start in the bullpen) and 1.16. They have absolutely no similarities whatsoever.

Clint said...

Rogers loved JP for how he quickly he cut payroll when he was first hired, his recent statements in the media give an appearance that he will do whatever the Roger's executives want in regard to payroll again, that alone may be enough to save his job for 2010, as many have noted Rogers seems more interested in profits and residuals benefits from the Jays instead of having the team actually win.

The change I see coming is Beeston will step up his search for a new president. I think the only reason they talked him into being the interim president was on the possibility of a somewhat increased payroll and the real possibility to contend, I can’t see him wanting to stick around for potentially a mini rebuild or just a holding pattern for a year.

Thanks for clearing up the name thing Stoeten, and I'm not the dickhead author using the same name above.

Dustin Parkes said...

CLINT, despite your love of capitalization, you're an idiot.

I said right away that I can understand concern over McGowan, because you're right he hasn't proven himself, but Marcum, for consistent stretches over the last two seasons, has been the Jays best starter (better than Halladay).

If you honestly agree with our friend Josh that McGowan and Marcum will have "lost their fearlessness" I invite you to check out a wonderful Blue Jays blog at the Toronto Star.

Anonymous said...

The whole capitalization thing made it pretty obvious who CLINT is. I love that the only person he could find to agree with him is himself. And lacking a single creative bone in his body, he relied on an already used name in the comment section to try to differentiate himself.

Well done, CAPS.

Dustin Parkes said...

Maybe I'm naive, but I really believe that Beeston is only here temporarily. Like gone before the start of the season temporarily. If Blair is right, isn't a bit curious that Ricciardi hasn't been given payroll figures yet? Beeston and Stan Kasten are buds. Could we see Beeston fire Ricciardi early next year, then announce Kasten as President and Kasten's man as the new GM?

Total speculation, but what if Kasten is busy securing his guy to be the new GM before an announcement is made?

Stoeten said...

Wouldn't surprise me.

Stoeten said...

Maybe they can get a new regime in place before Adam Dunn signs elsewhere...

Stoeten said...

Off topic, but is anyone else watching the staggering embarrassment that is the Detroit Lions right now? Holy fuck.

Anonymous said...

Honestly Stoeten, haven't you learned anything from Professor Riccardi.... Adam Dunn doesn't like baseball, fuck his 25 hr production, any regime would agree.....

Anonymous said...

That's 40 HR.

Anonymous said...

When did parkes grow a dick and a brain?

Anonymous said...

he didnt hes still a dumb bitch

Anonymous said...

happy thanksgiving to roy halladay. i bet if he looked at a wild turkey it would walk into an oven, cook itself and then set the table so doc could have dinner.

The Ack said...

^^ best anon comment ever.

I know shit goes down "behind the scenes" all the time, but with Kasten still tied to the Nats, I doubt he's doing much to secure the future of the Jays. Especially with the shitnami the Nationals front office is already facing with the Bowden-signing bonus dealio.

Anonymous said...

He can throw brussels sprouts out the window while he waits.

Dustin Parkes said...

Hey, fuck you very much.

Christopher said...

Stoeten, normally Overbay at first wouldn't be a huge problem but with our mediocre offence we need more prodution from that spot. People fixate on trading Overbay because he would appear to be one of our more tradeable commodities and we have Lind on the roster who can take over first base and presumably provide more offence.

Andy Mc said...

I bet we are all in for a surprise. This financial crisis is hitting the States way harder than up here, and Rogers seems to be making it through quite unharmed indeed (check their public earnings reports for the last quarter, fuckheads).

Just because they are being quiet doesn't mean they are slashing payroll or that they have given up on 09'. They may be very wise indeed, waiting for the steals on the market, or trades to pop up. Its still only fuckin' November.

Have you seen any teams (Yankees included) that have made any big signings? So why then, should we be worried that we haven't signed anybody yet?

The Jays need a big bat (or two) and a pitcher (or two), and they will be very competitive, even in the AL East.

All of you doubters and cry babies should shut the fuck up, this is still the greatest sports franchise in history.

Johnny G said...

Overbay is a tradable asset?

Haven't people around here been going on and on about how much he sucks? That would make him much less tradeable, Plus as pointed out before any trade at this point would most likely involve the Jays eating some salary which defeats the point.

Stevie H. said...

There is a greater chance of the Canadian dollar trading at $2 vs. the US dollar, than this team winning under the current conditions..

If that happens the Jays payroll could sit between 150-200 million..

Thats what I'm rooting for!

Stoeten said...

Stoeten, normally Overbay at first wouldn't be a huge problem but with our mediocre offence we need more prodution from that spot. People fixate on trading Overbay because he would appear to be one of our more tradeable commodities and we have Lind on the roster who can take over first base and presumably provide more offence.

Look at Lind's last two months of the season, and factor in defence, and that doesn't sound nearly as hot. The team needs more offence from DH. A big bat at DH and Overbay is more than fine there.


Andy Mc, I think you're bang on. Rogers has earned over $1B in profit in the last year. The iPhone is a little bit popular. And yeah, they're not so ridiculously far away from being competitive as some of the hysterical doubters want to think. (Doesn't help that people think Tampa are WAY better than they really are.)

Andy Mc said...

I don't think its unreasonable for the Jays to be competitive with Overbay repeating this year's numbers, exempting his GIDP. 15 Hr and 75 RBI is not bad.

We need Wells to hit 25-35 HR, Lind 20-25, Rios 20-25 and a DH to hit 25-35 and we will be just fine.

We still have a great pitching staff, without M&M, as well.

Have some fucking faith.

Anonymous said...

people have every right to think tampa is better than the jays. the fucking rays were in the world series or PLAYOFFS!!! the event people here like to imagine the jays had a shot at, the jays fourth place. for people who like numbers so much that means tampa won more games than the jays which means that they are better. the numbers don't lie.

Stoeten said...

Look at their Pythagorean record. Which numbers don't lie?

But anyway, of course they have the right to think Tampa is better, they're just not looking very closely if they think that Tampa is SO MUCH better that the Jays shouldn't even bother going out on the field next year, which a lot of people do. They're definitely behind them-- and David Price is a frightening addition-- but not so far behind them that Snider having a bigger season than expected or a pitcher making a big jump wouldn't make it way closer. And I'm sorry, but I'm still not at all sold on that bullpen. The numbers this year don't lie, but neither do the numbers from the years before-- those guys are shit bags (even though Howell was highly touted and might be pretty good). I just keep on thinking about the White Sox bullpen in 2005 when career fucking pylons Hermanson, Cotts and Politte each had ERA+s over 200.

Lloyd the Barber said...

In the minors, Brett Cecil's numbers are just as good as David Price's. And Cecil is a year younger.

Anonymous said...

Numbers:

Win/Loss record > Pythagorean record

The Manute Bol Experience said...

Predicting next year:

Pythagorean Record > Win/Loss Record

Anonymous said...

Brett Cecil has a chance to be very good. But Price has the better pedigree (and was a star in the World Series...can't get off to a better start than that). We'll see how it plays out. If Cecil has the stamina to make it as a starter, he could be very valuable.

Mills had better numbers than either Price or Cecil, but would you choose him over the other two?

Anonymous said...

162 games isn't a large enough sample size ?


Predicting next year:

Pythagorean Record > Win/Loss Record

Anonymous said...

If I were JP, I would sign Bradley and get rehab projects like Pavano and Ponson for dirt cheap. In that sense, it looks like he has tried. Moving a newbie into the roatation will just be painful (Cecil) BUT they might have to do it. AND Doc is not sticking around for more rebuilding, he will be gone anyways. He can command 30 mill on the open market and despite what Wilner says about 2010, I don't see this team being that good in either 09 or 10 absent any changes to offense OR the pitching.

With Cito at the helm things might start off differently in an offensive sense BUT they still need a sparkplug that can hit If they move Cecil into the rotation and get Pavano or Ponson they can at least fake contention otherwise why even bother.

One last thing, JP will be back for 2010, are people so sure. People will want his head on a silver platter. I recently heard him on NY talk rdaio and he sounded like his mantra was: I like my team. The same bullshit he gave last year, that is a very bad sign. In 2010, there will be a need at catcher and shortstop has JP drafted well enoough to cover these positions. And third base and first are open in 2011 so those needs can be addressed as well.

The Manute Bol Experience said...

9:15 Anon,

It has nothing to do with sample size. It has to do with luck. Of which the Jays had absolutely none last year. If they would have went .500 in one-run games (which are basically random) they would have won 90 games. They still wouldn't have made the playoffs, but 90 wins in the AL East is fucking impressive.

mike said...

Andy Mc,

Yeah, I looked at Rogers last quarterly report. And the last few quarterly and annual reports. Looks like the Jays/Dome is the smallest division in the smallest operating segment (Media) with the weakest profit margins.

You might be seeing something different than I am. But from what I can tell, raising payroll is a horrible business decision for Rogers. No business manager in the world would deem it prudent to pump earnings from larger, higher margin businesses into smaller, less profitable ones. That there's no realistic hope of that segment's margins delivering a comparable return on investment seen in the other businesses even if the team made it to the playoffs only makes it less rational for Rogers to raise payroll.

Saying "Rogers makes a lot of money" is ignorant.

mike said...

Andy Mc,

Yeah, I looked at Rogers last quarterly report. And the last few quarterly and annual reports. Looks like the Jays/Dome is the smallest division in the smallest operating segment (Media) with the weakest profit margins.

You might be seeing something different than I am. But from what I can tell, raising payroll is a horrible business decision for Rogers. No business manager in the world would deem it prudent to pump earnings from larger, higher margin businesses into smaller, less profitable ones. That there's no realistic hope of that segment's margins delivering a comparable return on investment seen in the other businesses even if the team made it to the playoffs only makes it less rational for Rogers to raise payroll.

Saying "Rogers makes a lot of money" is ignorant.

The Manute Bol Experience said...

And to the 9:38 Anon, I really hope you're joking with the Sidney Ponson thing.

Anonymous said...

sample size > luck

Andy Mc said...

I speak of Rogers as a multi-faceted conglomorate, which it is In these terms it has not taken much of a hit, as other, US-based companies (many of whom are directly linked with big teams).

And besides, I was speaking in reference to Rogers SLASHING payroll, as I doubt a substantial payroll increase is a possibility.

I believe that there will be minor (possibly very smart)moves on DH and outside pitching, bringing the Jays up to around $95mil.

This would entail a reliance on in-house options to supplement the core of this team (ie. Snider, Cecil, Romero etc.)and not break the big red fucking Rogers-sign- shaped piggy bank.

85-95 wins remains a distinct possibility with this option.

PS: I just picked up my dusty PS2 and bought MLB2K6 for $5....
some of you other baseball addicts should too. I just hit a three run jack with Rios pinch-hitting for Russ Adams. LOL.

Torgen said...

Pavano and Ponson could use Ass and Poo as their names on the bowling score machine and they wouldn't even be kidding.

Anonymous said...

Fuck off Parkes and fuck off anon 1120

Ray Offwrong said...

Before you blow up the team, at least have Manny Ramirez to blame it on. Wait, he might actually save the Jays from being blowed up.

Scott Carson, meet Jay Onrait.

http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/jay_onrait/?id=255816&lid=sublink02&lpos=headlines_blogs-Jay_Onrait

last sentence btw.

SIGN [strike]BARRY BONDS[/strike] MANNY RAMIREZ

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