No Margin For Old Error
Such a shame of a waste of a fantastic outing for Ricky Romero, but baseball’s senile funny like that sometimes.
Oh, I kid, I kid. There was a lot that happened in last night's game beyond the kind of baffling tactical decisions by Cito that we're all going to have to get used to (again)-- so let's not spend too much time on those. Cito is going to do what he thinks is best for his team, even though basic statistics and common sense might suggest that, no, he really wasn't, I think we just have to accept for a while that, when it comes to Cito, you have to take the good with the bad. And so far, there has been a lot more good.
And who knows if putting in Snider and Overbay instead of Bautista and Millar once the right-handers showed up, or brining in Shawn Camp to face three righties would have done anything. Right? Huh? Huh? Right??? I mean, sure, the statistics might have said you have a slightly better chance that way, but what are those? A bunch of numbers-- and how are you going to play baseball with numbers??? (Hmmm... actually "1" does kind of look like a bat, and "0" could be a ball, but where's the glove? Where's the glove, egghead???)
Plus, I mean, Aaron Hill doesn't bobble that double play ball, or Kevin Millar gets just a little bit more on a couple of his long outs, and the whole outcome probably changes. Sure, the fact that the margin for error was razor thin is probably the last reason to start excusing the manager for not putting his team in the best position to win, and the Cito-crutch concept of "showing faith in your guys" is kind of blow apart by the fact that-- as Wilner was pointing out last night-- they showed faith in the wrong guys, and... OK, maybe if this was last year, it would have been one of those games that would have made me suicidal. But we're 6-3! We're on easy street! Let's look at some positives...
Ricky Fucking Romero
What can you say about Romero's performance, other than that, uh... Cito kind of left him in for quite a friggin' long time? I know it's early, but man, I'd love for this to be a breakout season for Romero. Clearly he got some fantastic stuff, and with the way he pitched out of that bases-loaded none-out jam in the sixth, it seems like whatever Arnsberg has been whispering his ear has seriously got him trusting it. Nails! I'll take a guy like that over a Litsch/Richmond/Towers type, who has to be almost-perfect not to get the shit knocked out of him, any day of the week. If Romero starts really believing that he can get major leaguers out, fuck, the Jays might really have something here. (Granted, this is the first time any of those hitters have seen him.)
Scott Motherfucking Downs
Fucking eh, what a happy accident it is-- and it is an accident, right?-- that the guy the Jays tend to use in the highest leverage situations is actually their best reliever. Downs was fucking awesome last night, and it gives us all the more reason to hope that the Beej can keep progressing, and keep Downs from having to take the closer's role.
The Few Who Actually Hit
Alright, so Vernon's game-tying eighth-inning RBI was on a bit of a chili dipper, but so what? It was nails. Suck it, haters. And Barajas, before he was pinch-run for, was nailing it at the plate, as was the Greatest Blue Jay of All Time, Scott Rolen. So, you know, it wasn't exactly all bad. Just, y'know, if you're glancing through the box score, try to avoid looking at the 3s in the LOB column next to Bautista and Millar.
Litsch Update - Just To Be Official
I'm sure you've heard by now, but just so we have a record of it on here somewhere, the word on Litsch isn't simply a 15-day trip to the DL-- it's that he's going to be shut down for that long. So he won't throw a ball for two weeks, and then will have to work his way back from there. He's looking at a month away at least, it seems, probably more. Ugh.
Lastly
Nice Mark Fidrych obit from Earl McRae of the Ottawa Sun, who recalls speaking with the Bird, who mused about playing for the Jays during a hospital stay in 1977, when the injuries that destroyed his career were already catching up to him.
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The Cito looks boss as fuck in that picture.
Cito putting faith in Milltista to hit late in that game made about as much sense as it would have to leave Barajas on the basepaths.
And really, doesn't pinch-running Johnny Mac for Barajas shatter Rod's confidence in his running abilities? Maybe if he just left him in there, Rod would find it within himself to run faster.
You have to pinch run for Barajas. You can't pinch hit for you emergency catcher, to start an inning. And pinch hitting Overbay for Millar? thats not a given, especially considering Millar put it to the track twice.
THe pitching he handled good except for letting Romero throw a few too many. His visit to the mound was to see if Carlson could get Crede, obviously Carlson said he could and Cito showed faith, which is what Cito does.
If anything Wells was playing too shallow but thats the way things goes.
Regardless the Jays have been great to watch thus far and losing this game should not affect them too much.
Whoa. I'm not saying you don't pinch run for Barajas.
Seventh inning-- he likely wouldn't get up to the plate again if it only went nine, so yeah.
It's funny the know-it-alls are all over Cito for last night's game but give him no credit for any of the other games.
There's a reason he does what he does for a living and you guys do what you do. In your savior's own words (Willner), enjoy starting with a winning record.
I'll take Cito over your boyfreind Gibby any day. At least this team has a chance under Cito and his counterparts.
Wait. We're really going to try to pin this on Wells playing too shallow?
Honestly, I haven't seen it beyond the one time-- turned it off as soon as the run crossed the plate-- so I can't say anything about whether or not I agree he was too shallow. But if he was, it's only one of many things in this one that could have had it go either way. Just one of those games, I guess. It's a lot more comfortable to say that this year, though.
It's funny the know-it-alls are all over Cito for last night's game but give him no credit for any of the other games.
There's a reason he does what he does for a living and you guys do what you do. In your savior's own words (Willner), enjoy starting with a winning record.
I'll take Cito over your boyfreind Gibby any day. At least this team has a chance under Cito and his counterparts.
Fuck off, clown. Nobody has been withholding credit from Cito. Actually, I think if you would maybe read the fucking post you're commenting on, you'd see me say: "I think we just have to accept for a while that, when it comes to Cito, you have to take the good with the bad. And so far, there has been a lot more good."
And if you're too dumb to understand why saying the team has a chance with Cito and didn't with Gibbons is absurd, there's probably a shit-tonne of other stuff you should read before you open your mouth, too.
I don't think the comment was directed towards you stoeten. People were shitting on cito in the last game threat, not this post.
The "savior" and "boyfriend" comments make it pretty clear where it's directed, I think.
Ahh yeah i just skimmed it. Fuck off clueless anonymii.
Dude, your arguments are useless when all you can do is swear and name call. But expected and shall I say covers some sort of inadequacy.
Nicknack is right, poeple have been hacking on Cito since he returned. I find it odd you would take it so personal. Life would be easier if you didn't snap at the slightest thing.
Enjoy the winning record and being entertained by an awesome game like last night. Don't look so hard for negatives. And please, lighten up.
I agree with your sentiment/argument anon, it is legit, but in fairness the savior and boyfriend thing was obviously gonna get a reaction.
Sentiment/argument about people shitting on Cito that is.
My last word was slophound. I thought it was awesome.
And you're right, I was uneccissarily harsh, and I appologize for that.
I am a Cito supporter and grew tired of Gibby and I think Willner is inappropriately arrogant. So we don't agree on much. It would be nice for you to at least consider opposing opinions instead of dismissing with insults.
Most importantly, I am a Jays fan. Does it matter how the success comes or is it more important for opinions to be right.
What did I say about Cito the Dorito Man. Y'all didn't want to listen? What kind of fool doesn't want to pinch hit as a rule? C'mon send Cito Dorito back to Texas keep Gene, Nick, Butterworth and get a strong fierce Germanic hard charging type of manager. Also get Pedro the Mango Tree Man for 3 million dollars ! Yes Mango Man is not worth it BUT can the strong Jays live with Tallet as a starter? I mean Retardi had a chance to get fat Dutchman and malcontent ,Sir Sidney Ponson, who pitched OK in the AL East with the Yanks last year. He missed on that one. Where is the washed up Clement when you need him? He has cool/evil menacing facial hair that will scare the corporate goody two shoe Yankees!
A True Blue Jays Fan
PS Aufwiedersehen Cito Doritohead, go back to Massholia Retardi, AND Parkes for dog catcher! Doktor Halladay will not be traded OR the Nationalist Jays Fan Corps will stage a paper airplane putsch!BTW Anon @ 1:26 good call on Wilner. I can't wait to see his predictions for this year blow up in his face!
Sorry, but anons around here go straight to the disrespect bin. Especially when they're shitting on people based on, well... lies. Not that you were intentionally lying, necessarily, probably just being lazy-- which makes sense if you think ALL I'm doing is swearing and name calling. Sorry, but you'll have to read past that.
I can be plenty friendly, and I don't mind having a rational discussion at all, but the anonymity, failure to pay attention to the nuances everybody's acknowledging, talking about Gibbons-- our "boyfriend"-- as though it should just be accepted the he cannot win while Cito can, and bitching about Wilner being our saviour? Yeah, that's going to get you shit on, mate. And deservedly so.
I was thinking that maybe Carlson was left in too long, but that last pitch was a backdoor slider (the type stoeten likes) that was right where Big Rod asked for it. Sometimes you give the hitter credit. Wells, for his part, played the ball perfectly.
Did he? I'm genuinely asking-- because most people are saying he was too shallow. I only saw it once, so I have no clue.
i think posting anonymously has nothing to do with it. i almost always post anonymously and never past a little good natured fun as far as disrespect goes. i don't even know how to register a name and can't be arsed to attempt it. i have too many registered names all over the interwebs and the opportunity to engage in jays talk with brethern (whom i don't know whether they post under a name or not) as an unregistered user (ie "anonymous") is more than welcome.
Wells was too shallow because the ball went over his head. If two dinkers were hit in front of him, he would have been playing too deep. If the ball was hit in his general area and he caught it, he would have been positioned appropriately.
And if the Jays never got rid of Reed, he would have been in LF and would have been able to run past the poorly positioned Wells, and catch the ball in dramatic fashion.
You win some, you lose some. Last nights game was exciting to watch, and to me, that's all that matters...
You can just change the drop down box next to "Comment as" to Name/URL, and then you can name yourself.
Sorry, but your comment read like it was from one of our more dickish anons, so I responded in kind. I would have lightened up if I didn't make that assumption-- but probably not much, because as hard as we've been on Cito, we've tried hard to give him credit, even though it's not easy to see how and for what, except for the hitters getting back to where they probably should have been all along. It's tedious as hell to talk about Gibbons at this point, so I think we've been avoiding all that, but I still think it grossly overstates the impact of a manager to act like Cito has done something totally magical that Gibbons would never have been capable of. I don't disagree that it's been good to have changed managers, and that Cito has been great so far, but it bugs me to no end when people say: See, Cito is doing what Gibbons can't! It's hardly that simple. I mean, if you believe in the whole motivational/intangible thing-- which certainly has some impact, but I think people vastly overstate it most times-- how does Gibbons not get credit for motivating the pitching staff into the incredible unit that it was? It makes no sense to me to say that Gibbons' clubhouse culture negatively impacted the team, given that. Having gone through this over and over last year, I find that people tend to want to blame him for the hitters not hitting, and worship Cito for being there when they essentially came back around to the levels that they should have been at all along-- which was statistically probable, regardless who was managing-- and they want to obscure how Gibbons' behind-the-scenes work may have impacted the pitchers, because that just doesn't fit with their gut feeling that keeps telling them Gibbons was AWFUL. He wasn't. Hardly. A lot of folks can't-- or simply won't-- wrap their heads around this idea, but there's more to it than just results.
Dick Anon whose comment I deleted. Again, I'm not offended by what you said. I just find it amusing to make your efforts an even bigger waste of time than they already are.
Let me ask you though, idiot-- do you think that maybe I'm not friendly with you because you've constantly proven yourself to be a fucking piece of shit?
I was listening to Twins radio feed on XM during the early part of the game last night, and the announcers went out of their way to comment on how Wells plays shallow all the time and always has. When Morneau hit his ground rule double, they brought it up again, saying his shallow positioning had "come back to bite him". So maybe he was too shallow.
Oh, and I think Cito was probably leaving Carlson in there at least partly to keep Jason Kubel glued to the bench.
Aaaand....just for the hell of it....
What if Cito was pretty confident the Twins would bring in a lefty to face Snider? I know they had a lefty up in the pen at one point. I'd still go with Snider, but maybe they really are trying hard to shield the kid from lefties.
And I have no problem at all with Millar being in there, offensively at least. He's looked pretty good at the plate so far.
Dick Anon whose comment I deleted. Again, I'm not offended by what you said. I just find it amusing to make your efforts an even bigger waste of time than they already are.
Let me ask you though, idiot-- do you think that maybe I'm not friendly with you because you've constantly proven yourself to be a fucking piece of shit?
And not just a piece of shit, but also a chickenshit who hides behind his anonymity to take shots at people on a fucking blog-- colossal waste of time, FYI-- and yet constantly trolls the comments here anyway, in some sad, desperate ploy for the attention that mommy never gave him?
I'd love to be friendly to you, you probably need it, but you won't let anybody in! Admitting that you're a fucking pathetic waste would be a good first step.
I realize these are professional athletes we're talking about, but last night was the Jays 9th straight game. Do you suppose conditioning was a factor at play in Cito's mind?
I know player fatigue throws a monkey wrench into the SABRmetric approach to in-game management, but it seems to me that Cito et. al. are in a much better position to gauge this factor than anyone else.
Say what you will, Snider feels good after his 2HR display but Snider is also going to strike out a lot. If you ask me, there's no surer way to kill a buzz than ruining his night off by taking him off the bench cold and putting the game on his shoulders in extra innings.
I have nothing to say in defence of the Overbay/Camp omissions.
My problem with the 'gives guys more confidence' logic is that Millar and Bautista should bloody well realize by this point that they're not everyday players and will be platooned for at every opportunity. Hell, they were specifically brought in just to act against LHP. If Millar and Bautista had any baseball sense, they themselves were probably wondering why a pinch-hitting move wasn't coming in the late innings. It's not like the Twins were going to suddenly yank Nathan from the game and stick a lefy into the game to counter Snider.
I agree, but Guyliner makes a good point about not wanting to bring Snider in cold, with the game on his shoulders, against the best reliever in baseball.
Wilner's detachment does lead to some interesting insights, every once in a while. But that level of detachment is more pathological than anything. Look how his "logic" handled the outbreak of the Rays last season.
I would actually be impressed if someone could talk to the retard callers and still come across as a cool guy. But good for him for finding himself a job that's as easy as shooting fish in a barrel for him
Look how his "logic" handled the outbreak of the Rays last season.
Of course I'm going to defend Wilner, but... their Pythagorean record was worse than the Jays, they were a ridiculous 29-18 in one-run games, and as of September 2 they had 38 come-from-behind wins.
Looking at it at various points through the season, it would have been illogical to expect them to keep all that shit up.
Wells wasn't fucking shallow.
And in The Gastonian One I trust.
Cito does more harm than good, and that's how it will play out when all 162 games are done. It was good to see the team battle last night, they would not go quietly, and let's focus on some of the fucking positives - hello, Ricky Romero - instead of beating this Cito/Snider/Wells was shallow bullshit into the ground.
I shit on Cito no problem.
He has never been a good manager, and never will be one. The Jays won a couple of rings IN SPITE of Cito Gaston, but he did his best to screw with those teams too.
If the team needs a psychologist/mentor fine, let Cito be that guy. But his lineups and in-game decisions have absolutely no logic. I doubt that he reads charts and has no idea that Snider has hit lefties just as good as righties in his minor league career. He goes by hunches and guesses that will win some games for you, but lose in the long run.
He is a fucking dinosaur and I resent that the casual fan doesn't understand the baseball enlightenment period we now live in.
JB, Cito can't hear you, because he's got his two World Series rings in his fucking ears.
That's some of the dumbest shit I've read in a while. Thanks for the mid-afternoon laugh. Much needed.
Then again, their Pythagorean record was still really good (5th in MLB).
I think the biggest problem with Wilner's "don't believe in the Rays" thing from last year was that PECOTA had them winning 90 games in their preseason simulation and, as I recall, Wilner consistently called BS on that when people brought it up. For a guy who trumpets logic all the time, that's tough to justify.
Hey...you stole that "good with the bad" line from me, haha.
But yeah, it's pretty true. As long as the team keeps hitting, I won't criticize Cito (that much).
I was going to steal something else from you, too. But now I forget what-- was going to give you credit. Shit... that's going to bug me.
@DT
Wilner prides himself on being always right (apparently), but he was wrong about that last year. Many people called in bringing the PECOTA projections and Pythagorean record up, and he always dismissed them.
I was going to steal something else from you, too. But now I forget what-- was going to give you credit. Shit... that's going to bug me. I haven't made that many posts recently due to exams, but I did listen to Wilner's show last night and posted here during it. Could it have been something about that? Possibly my disgust at him continuing to criticize people about their use of "we?"
@JB: "I resent that the casual fan doesn't understand the baseball enlightenment period we now live in."
And who are you? Fucking Galileo? Jesus.
The "logic" to which so many slavishly subscribe, is often in the eye of the beholder. Commenters here go back and forth every day with competing stats in support of their "logic."
This "gut" vs. "SABR" debate may be what defines discourse in the online baseball community, but none of it really affects the fixed level of talent on the field or the particular circumstance of an in-game situation.
For the above reasons, I submit that its freakishly stupid to call for Cito's head on a foul pole (or resent the casual fan) because he will defy general statistics to apply his considered judgment to a specific situation.
One of the smartest things anyone ever said to me in school about statistics: "A correlation is not a cause." In law school: "Propensity evidence is not particular evidence."
I think those above maxims apply well here.
Although...I have made that point about high-leverage situations and keeping Downs where he is (instead of the closer's role) many times.
That's it! But I was going to use something specific that you said.
A lot of people are baseball dumb because they have been misinterpreting the facts of the game for decades. A lot of work has gone into proving results through decades of data. We are living in enlightened times in baseball. Most GM's and coaches get it. The Red Sox and Yankees in particular. But every so often a dinosaur like Richard Griffin or Cito Gaston come along to drag us back into the dark ages. Unfortunatley, it is happening in Toronto while the rest of the world is moving on.
If avatars were visible. I would totally switch to this pic of Cito.
Fucking Baller.
JB, are you really suggesting that everything about baseball can be understood by existing statistics and that a game could be managed by a simple piece of software that just looks at historical data?
Honestly, if so, that's absurd. I think it's fantastic that we're able to understand so much about the game through numbers, but there are obvious and extensive limitations of this kind of analysis.
I'm just re-watching the game now. Why the hell was Vernon playing so shallow on that Morneau double after the Hill bobble in the 4th?
Also, was anyone surprised by these little factoids?
-Snider is the youngest to hit 2 HR in a game
-Porcello vs Romero was the first ever double-debut
-Romero was only the 16th pitcher ever to win in his debut.
WTF, after 120+ years of baseball history? I was bonerifically surprised.
I'm of the mind that managers have such little real impact that you probably COULD write software to manage a team based on each situation and do no better or worse than with a human.
SP: 16th ever Jays pitcher.
@SP
Can you tell me why Morneau was only rounding third base as Vernon threw in that ball at the end? There was 2 outs...I think he almost made his 2nd baserunning gaffe of the game, and that one would have been massive.
Nady out for the season. Fuck you, Yankees!!!!!
Where did you find that last fact? That seems reeeaaaaallly unlikely. Off the top of my head, Jesse Litsch won his debut 2 years ago.
Stoeten, I've always advocated for the robot manager. But Cito is making me rethink things with his genius ways.
Oh, and the Yankees still have Swisher, so they'll be alright.
Swisher, despite the good start, is a bum.
Or were you being sarcastic?
Stoeten, what if your software said Fullmer should pinch hit but Fullmer was nowhere to be found? ;-)
Honestly though, I don't think you would want to just rely on a purely rules-based decision-making system. You're managing humans, and I know "they're professionals" and all that, but there are all kinds of extenuating circumstances that come up when you're dealing with real people that you just won't capture in your little baseball managing software.
Those facts were staples of the Sportsnet broadcast last night. I had a hard time with that "16th Blue Jay to win his debut" nugget also.
Fuck off, Stoeten, I refuse to believe that the manager is inconsequential. I need to believe that storming out of the dugout, slamming the cap down, and maybe kicking some dirt on the umpire is of major consequence. That's the Ack's baseball, baby.
Nope...I wasn't really a believer that Nady's 2008 season was for real. Not that Swisher is that great...but it isn't a crippling loss.
SP: 16th ever Jays pitcher.Oh thank goodness. That makes way more sense.
BFF, are you talking about the same inning? There was only 1 out but still retarded of Morneau to be halfway between 2nd and 3rd even though it was an easy fly for Vernon. Terribly misjudged.
Oh I believe that he could be the 16th Blue Jay. I was skeptical of SP's comment that he was the 16th guy (on any team) to win his debut.
Honestly though, I don't think you would want to just rely on a purely rules-based decision-making system. You're managing humans, and I know "they're professionals" and all that, but there are all kinds of extenuating circumstances that come up when you're dealing with real people that you just won't capture in your little baseball managing software.
I think a lot of managers do it so by the book that they're pretty much compu-managers anyway. Or at least close enough to suggest that it wouldn't make much of a difference to go by the book 100% of the time.
No, no...I'm talking about the game winning play last night. I was shocked at how it was so close the play was. Morneau must not have started running until the ball actually dropped.
Either way, it's a bullshit little stat. Just like "Adam Lind is tied with Joe Carter for the alltime most RBI by a Blue Jay after 7 games." Oh really? Fuck off. What about after 8 games? 9 games?
I'm venting now. Sorry dudes.
I completely mean in-game strategy here. Obviously there is preparation and game planning that you can't really have a computer do ... yet.
And arguing with the umpire, goddamnit.
Either way, it's a bullshit little stat. Just like "Adam Lind is tied with Joe Carter for the alltime most RBI by a Blue Jay after 7 games." Oh really? Fuck off. What about after 8 games? 9 games?
My favourite was during the Lee-Halladay game, the Indians broadcast showed that they have the most wins (in the AL?) of any two pitchers since 2004. Yeah... way to conveniently cut off Halladay's Cy Young season to make it look like Cliff Lee could maybe carry his jock strap, dicks.
Stoeten is right. I wait for the day when teams like the Blue Jays are managed (in game management) by software that would maximize matchups and take consideration injuries, fatigue, etc.
It is like going to a Casino and playing craps. All the bets are bad, but everyone knows that some bets are better than others. A computer will tell you not to play, but if you do, you are more likely to win playing the pass line. Despite this, the suckers still play the high risk bets on "guts" or "instinct". When they win, they say that they trust their gut but in reality it was just luck and they will lose their shirt in the long run.
With Cito, we always play the sucker bets.
It's that 5% of decisions that you kind of need a human for. Just as one example, if a guy is a bit sore or sick or something, I think it makes way more sense to let a real person use his judgment.
But yeah, I think we're pretty close on this. I just kind of get annoyed when people have this attitude that "computers have all the answers" in general or "stats tell you everything" in baseball specifically. It's an incredibly naive viewpoint.
Yea I misheard Campbell regarding the 16th pitcher thing. Even 16th pitcher for the Jays is surprising. You'd think there would be more.
BFF, Morneau actually read that Crede hit very well. He was sprinting as soon as it was hit. It was only close because Morneau is slow as fuck and Vernon was throwing from the warning track.
JB, you sound like a real fun guy.
Hahahahahahaha JB. So will your super-baseball-manager 1.0 be able to interpret MRIs and EEGs to objectively assess injuries and fatigue?
SP, I think more than reading the ball off of Crede's bat, Morneau read the "2 outs" on the scoreboard well.
Good point about being sick or sore. Maybe the manager sees something the player isn't going to admit to. Though... a lot of times they let the players make the call themselves, it seems.
Look, I'm a big believer in the "new" stats - even if I don't always understand them and occasionally revert to the "back of the baseball card" mentality.
But even if you could clone Roy Halladay's metallic DNA and come up with Cito Robot 1.0, there'd still be controversy and dickheads like us bemoaning every decision - computerized or not. Look at the BCS system in college football. Controversial as fuck.
Plus, what fun would being a fan be without the capacity for human error?
Oh and a couple of awful throws to the plate by Jays fielders. In the 5th on Redmond's RBI single, Vernon's throw was way off the plate. If Rios is in CF, he probably nails Crede at the plate.
And then on the final play, Hill's throw to Barajas went wide right just like Vernon's and misses Morneau at the plate.
DT, yea I missed that it was 2 outs. I'm still in the 6th inning.
Are you sure about that, SP? It was a deep fly ball that took a long time to drop, and Morneau was only rounding third when Vernon finally threw the ball in (as I recall, but I could be off...I didn't exactly stay and watch the replay).
Because if he was sprinting as the ball was hit off the bat (as he should have been), I think he would have been a lot closer to home than he was.
Unless he's Bengie Molina/Jason Phillips/Frank Thomas slow...which he isn't...right??
Yanks lose Nady and Sox lose Daisuke for awhile, kudos to whichever one of you broke out the voodoo dolls this week.
If you were this photogenic, nobody would give a shit if you knew how to do your job either
http://www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Toronto+Blue+Jays+v+Philadelphia+Phillies+4f9pvc8gdoAl.jpg
Well definitely not Molina slow, but he's pretty slow. Vernon played it nicely, barehanded off the first bounce, so it got to Hill in time where a good throw would've made it close at the plate.
Tim Wakefield has a no hitter through six.
I hate the Sox and Yankees with a passion...but he's probably the one guy on either team I wouldn't mind throwing a no no.
Stoeten, please bring back the pop-up window.
Please everybody?
Stoeten would bend over backwards for you, if you're name was Mike Wilner
yeah, stoeten is such a dick for agreeing with someone who is right 95% of the time
"Stoeten would bend over backwards for you, if you're name was Mike Wilner."
Whatever, so long as he isn't bending over forwards. Who the fuck are you anyway?
On another note, was this photo of Cito taken in the same warehouse as the one that featured A-Rod kissing himself? Just asking...
http://deadspin.com/5171865/do-you-think-alex-rodriguez-regrets-this-details-photo-shoot-now
I may be wrong...but didn't they do this new comment section for the ad revenue? I don't see them changing it back.
It looks like Adolf Stoener is deleting comments now. He can dish it out but he can't take it. What a fuckhead!!! He responds to my comment after deleting it and then responds to his own comment. I thought you would never delete comments. What a bitchy little twat you are. Oh, I know you'll delete this too.
Oakland is such a shit team...a no hitter through 7 to Tim Wakefield.
Oakland is such a shit team...a no hitter through 7 to Tim Wakefield.You're right, they were lucky to beat Boston twice in a row. Maybe Stoener's brainwashing you at this point. Fuckhead!
yet constantly trolls the comments here anyway, in some sad, desperate ploy for the attention that mommy never gave him?Don't worry, I got plenty of loving from your mom. She's terrific on the pole and the street corner, you must be proud.
Of course they were lucky to beat Boston twice in a row. They are fucking Oakland, look at their shitty offense.
I know you have a hard on from a 6-3 start but relax, we're due for a market correction and it could start this weekend.
Kurt Suzuki breaks up the no hitter.
Stoeten would bend over backwards for you, if you're name was Mike Wilner. - True - hence his new moniker Stoener.
yeah, stoeten is such a dick for agreeing with someone who is right 95% of the time - False, Stoten's a dick by birth or by choice.
That nickname is old, and it's Stoetilner, not Stoener.
Yeah, that one shows so much creativity, dipshit. Well done, DT. You wonder why you wore the dunce cap in school.
Wow Stoeten - you really pissed off someone without an identity. Hard to know what to make of that.
Managers leave themselves open to much bigger criticisms when they don't play percentages, but when it works out for them (which obviously it does sometimes) they get to be "geniuses" because they "prove everyone wrong". If only there were some way to play the same set of players against the same competitors with two different managers; one who plays statistics only and one who doesn't -- there is just no way to prove what "would have happened". IN the end, if you could do that, I'd guess the difference in wins is less than 5, but I'd go with the stats geek manager (so long as he wasn't a geek and the players still liked him).
I know it shows no creativity. I didn't think of it. Just pointing out that combining Stoeten's name with Wilner's isn't original and creative at all since someone came up with that a long time ago. So you're not creative either, artard.
As for the double entendre...meh.
How about DT Stoener so all of you can fucking blow yourselves? DT, you sure get behind your boyfriends in more ways than one. Fucktard!
Oh, snap! Pwned!
Evem me as an anonymous (who appologized for being harsh earlier) really hates this new anonymous. Makes the rest of us look really bad.
People need to stop questioning the fact that Vernon was playing shallow. Not only did the Twins guys say so, but Ashby was bewildered as well. You simply don't play that shallow with the tying run on first and 2 outs. I really wish the Jays would just swap Rios and Wells already.
I know I'm late to the party and I didn't read a single other comment...but; this is the best thing that has been written about baseball since FJM went dark:
(Hmmm... actually "1" does kind of look like a bat, and "0" could be a ball, but where's the glove? Where's the glove, egghead???)
thanks. seriously. thanks for that.
Ari, what do you mean? That there are people saying that Vernon wasn't playing shallow or that they are and it's a misconception? I think he was playing too shallow. Possibly compensating a little for his weak D of late? Maybe?
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