Breaking: Jays Release BJ Ryan
It’s official, the Jays have released their ex-closer, flushing $15M down the toilet with him—though it’s not like they weren’t flushing it the last two and a half years.
The news is per @MLBastian, though it’s broken everywhere now. Scott Downs has been activated from the DL and is available tonight.
“We thought that he was not going to be the pitcher that he was able to be for us,” said JP Ricciardi when speaking to Jeff Blair on the Fan 590’s Prime Time Sports this evening. “We thought that the player was not going to be able to help us in a role that could help the team win. At this point we thought it was best to let the player get on with his life.”
“The player was not happy,” he added. “The player really wanted to pitch more. I think that’s the competitor in him. Realistically, we just didn’t think we had a role that he could pitch in for us right now.”
With regard to the decision to swallow the $15M still owed to the Beej, Ricciardi told Blair: “We talked to Paul Beeston, and Paul understood—Paul was actually the one who went to Rogers with it, and he got the clearance with it. We obviously didn’t go into this lightly.”
Blair asked about the perception that some may have that, with this, coupled with the recent rumblings about listening to offers on Roy Halladay, the Jays are gearing up for a fire sale.
“We’re trying to make our club the best club we can be,” Ricciardi said. “In releasing BJ, obviously we’re trying to put the best players out there. As far as Roy Halladay goes, we have not traded Roy Halladay. We’re going to do what every team in baseball does, and listen to offers. This is the month where everybody talks.”
He added: “The only way we move Roy Halladay is if we’re absolutely, totally blown away by an offer and say this makes sense.”
Earlier in the day Joel Sherman of the New York Post spoke with Ricciardi regarding the Halladay situation.
"We have kept him from free agency twice and I don't think we have the resources to keep him from free agency a third time, so I have to investigate what is out there," Ricciardi said—though he had earlier confirmed that the Jays are budgeted to afford all of the contracts under control until 2010. "But my gut feeling is no trade gets done because we value him as one of the five best players in the game, and I don't think people will meet the price tag for that kind of talent."
JP offered the following analogy: "Imagine you have a house worth $500,000 and weren't really interested in selling it, but someone offered $1.2 million. That would make you at least listen. So if someone is that motivated we will listen."
He also said that he would not allow any team a window to negotiate a contract extension with Halladay, if they were to actually consummate a deal, and that this was not initiated by Halladay.


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RICIARDI ON FAN AFTER 4:00 UPDATE
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What a rise and fall. Remember how fucking crazy amazing he was in 06?
Hory cow! A rearry big turn of events!
Thanks, tercet.
Hes on at 4:05pm actually.
Now that I've had a bit of time to digest this news, I guess I sort of feel bad for the Beej. He has REALLY fallen off the charts.
Does someone pick him up?
Finally.
Good fucking riddance.
How does it work salary wise?
you feel bad for a guy whose guaranteed 15 mill over the next 1.5 season no matter whether he gets picked up or not?
i feel bad for Jays fans! this is like frank thomas all over again only worse.
Rotoworld: According to MLB.com's Jordan Bastian, the Blue Jays released B.J. Ryan.
A move was required to clear room on the 25-man roster for Scott Downs, who will be activated from the disabled list Wednesday in a corresponding move, but this comes as a complete shock. Ryan is still owed close to $15 million on his current contract that runs through 2010. The Blue Jays must have felt he truly had nothing left in the tank. In 20 2/3 innings this season, the former closer had a 6.53 ERA and a 13/17 K/BB ratio. Jul. 8 - 3:46 pm et
15 mil down the toilet?
This means he was just as bad as we all thought and then some. He went from getting the biggest contract ever for a RP, living up to it in his first season, and then having TJ surgery and completely falling on his face this year.
WE GIVE RYAN A 15~MILLION DOLLAR CHEQUE, THE FINGER, AND WE PART WAYS.
I'm sure someone will sign him to a minor league, minimum salary deal
maybe he can play in quebec with gagne
BJ just did not look like a major league pitcher this year. Not close.
I think his only chance to be successful down the road is to completely reinvent himself.
I posted this in the game thread, but since discussion just moved over here:
Did anyone think they did have the resources to sign him after 2010? Its not like they were going to get much of a hometown discount unless theyre championship calibre and you know someone's going to make a ridiculous offer. It's either fork out for a $120M+ payroll to sign Doc and the talent to make him happy, or let him walk. Theyre not going to spend $120M+.
Stu's a legend. No wonder Bret and Owen are so tough. I am proud to say to everybody that I came from Stu Hart's Dungeon because it's like the boot camp of wrestling.
Blair hosting PTS... meh. I like him, but Ive never thought of him as a host. Kelly has gotten decent enough at it I guess.
if someone has his phone # please let him know we have a spot open on our 3 pitch softball team it will cost 45$ but I think he can swing it.
I feel bad for him because I truly believe he really tried to get back to his form.
I just don't think he can do it. He's done. I feel bad for him.
Finally - news worth talking about (in particular that J.P. "resources" quote).
haha alex i can confidentially get you bj's phone number
After hearing Ricciardi speak about Halladay, I feel much, much calmer for some reason.
I'd like Blair to ask if they'll ever try to sign Halladay to an extenstion after this year, or what
Well that radio spot was a giant pile of nothing.
JP on the FAN
-Not our closer, was not going to be. Tough to find him a role
-BJ was professional about release, but BJ the player wanted to pitch more, struggled with lack of role
-Playing down Halladay talk. Any team would listen to any offers for every one of their players at this time of the year.
-Not one team interested in BJ
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BJ Ryan's number.
I shit you not.
Yea, why no talk of the Jays easing toward a halladay trade?
Fuck the Jays. Fuck it all. Fuck being a baseball fan outside of LA, Bos, NY, STL. Fuck this division. Fuck your moms face.
I am looking forward to this direction. A totally rebuild project. I can take a couple of shitty seasons to get to the great one.
Trade Halladay, Scutaro and Rolen. Let's get the prospects and rebuild this thing!
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Shit for brains...
Paolo should probably have BJ's number.
you could always flip over to 640 where they're talking about what you like or don't like about joe sakic. ugh.
Dan W, Santana's contract tops out at 25M per year. I'd expect Doc's to be similar and I doubt that would put the payroll above 120M+ considering the cheap talent on the team.
I linked this in the game thread but here it is again: https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=p4ew-fwu2XT21pPs-y5fsTg
That's the payroll commitments through 2013. They're in good shape to re-sign Doc.
i probably would and should but refer to me as "jaysfanontheinside" or i will not respond to you at all.
and where JB did you get that number?
I don't get why they at least send him to LV to try to work his way back into form. Are MLB vets allowed to refuse assignements?
Wow, $25 mill gone on BJ and Thomas.
jaysfanontheinside, fine, i won't fuck your moms face.
I like beer. I'm having one.
Call it.
I will give you JP's phone number when he leaves too.
Wow, J.P's record on big ticket free agents is pretty absymal. A team like the Jays simply can't afford to waste millions on Ryan, and Thomas.
No way J.P survives beyond '10.
A rebuild? Because we got of a guy who wasn't playing anyway?
"Dan W, Santana's contract tops out at 25M per year. I'd expect Doc's to be similar and I doubt that would put the payroll above 120M+ considering the cheap talent on the team."
Yes, but Im saying theyd *probably* also need to make other additions to make it worthwhile for him to stay. It is possible that Roy would feel he had enough talent around him if some young arms turn into gems and Lind/Snider/Hill are all still producing well, but they'd still have a few gaps in the roster at that point unless they spent more.
JB is more fucked than I thought
I guess we can see why JP wasn't allowed to sign any free agents this year.
Someone needs to photoshop B.J. into an Altoona Curve uniform and start some rumours on twitter.
i'd love to see BJ play at chistie pits,
i wonder if the leafs are putting something together...
How are you getting all these #'s JB you fucking delusional freak you sound like paolo
"Ryan, who saved 32 games in 60 games for the Blue Jays a year ago, said his situation has been made tougher by the fact that it seemed as though his manager had less confidence in him than he did in himself."
He doesn't mention how the fans had even less confidence in him than his manager did.
I have JP's # too. We have mutual friends.
So now we pay the Beej $15 million to pitch for, probably, a competitor like the Rays for the next two years.
How does that make baseball sense? Why not just send him down to Single A to try and get his shit together? Worst case scenario, someone plucks him from waivers and then we're not stuck with the $15 million bill.
At least when we released Frank Thomas it made some sense, since we saved the $10 million by not allowing his 2009 option to vest. This is just stupid.
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Wilner could take some tips from Blair.
I'm liking Jeff Blair on the FAN
"How does that make baseball sense? Why not just send him down to Single A to try and get his shit together? Worst case scenario, someone plucks him from waivers and then we're not stuck with the $15 million bill."
I see you fully understand baseball and how it works.
the next question is: what do we do about League & Carlson?
Updated post.
the next question is: what do we do about League & Carlson?
League will be fine once Cito figures out not to bring him out for a second inning.
I like Blair on the Fan too...they should give him a show somewhere
I also am enjoying Blair. Pleasantly surprised at his coherent thoughts.
He was pretty bad the first few times, but has definitely gotten better. I hear that.
So the next question is: what do we do about Carlson, Wells & Rios?
Uncle Beej's wild ride is over.
Don't worry JB, I'm sure your Uncle will continue giving you wild rides every night after Mommy tucks you in.
I wish Blair had asked JP about the 'i dont think we'll have the resources to sign him a third time' comment.
Trade Rios to San Francisco.
Jeff Blair doesn't sound anything like I thought he would... For some reason I thought he'd sound like McCown.
Wow, J.P's record on big ticket free agents is pretty absymal. A team like the Jays simply can't afford to waste millions on Ryan, and Thomas.
When those deals were signed, though-- and the Wells contract too-- the future outlook, financially, was quite a bit better. At the very least, nobody saw a $20M payroll slash coming, which might go to $40M over two years, and then who knows?
It's such a shame we didn't trade Rios for Lincecum. Just think about it - Lincecum could be on the DL right now with the others - and another young arm with a bright future could have been potentially ruined.
uhm jb and paolos sources are completely different dont lump me in with him. And i am not delusional, when it is true.
Trade Stoeten to Tao for The Ack.
designate Joanna for assignment.
give The Blue Jays Hunter his outright release.
Blair is sounding like an idiot, saying that dumping BJ and EATING his salary will make people think their is a fire sale. LMFAO. If anything, dumping BJ despite the money he owes, full well knowing he might improve later down the road, shows me they are worried about winning games now. Perhaps its a desperate move but it sure doesnt bring fire sale to mind.
These two signings..thomas and ryan, were pretty easy to criticise even at the time they were made...thomas because of his age, BJ because he was a fucking closer!!!! why did we need a 10 million dollar closer again? i think we would have gotten 90 percent of the production out of a cheap guy like accardo...oh waite...we did....dont blow money on the penn...its such a basic concept.
"When those deals were signed, though-- and the Wells contract too-- the future outlook, financially, was quite a bit better. At the very least, nobody saw a $20M payroll slash coming, which might go to $40M over two years, and then who knows?"
Still doesn't make them good contracts. It makes them a little more sensible, but not entirely defensible.
i love (read: hate) the way JP referred to BJ as 'the player' during that interview.
I really don't want the Jays plan for the next few years to be to start running things like the Royals or the Pirates.
So the next question is: what do we do about Carlson, Wells & Rios?
You're stuck with Wells. Rios, if they can move, they'll move. His contract isn't nearly so bad as Wells, and I wouldn't mind keeping him. Carlson gets fewer innings now with Downs back, and lower leverage situations. He'll be fine.
was JP channeling his inner bill parcels in reference to terrell owens?
So Stoeten, you see the jays being the pirates of the AL at a 40 mill payroll basically?
so the next question is: what do we do about dellucci?
Rios can easily be moved. A CF with a bit of bop, great arm..speed. the tools will get some fool to bite on him.
Honestly, if someone wanted to take Halladay and Wells for $1 or an A ball pitcher, I'd do it. That would never happen, but it's a nice thought.
Still doesn't make them good contracts. It makes them a little more sensible, but not entirely defensible.
Not at all. You're right. I wasn't a fan of any of those contracts at the time. Just adding a little perspective.
I'm with TSG, why not send his ass to AA or A, hope someone picks him up off waivers, and if not see what happens? Nobody can deny he had talent once.
Trade Stoeten to Tao for The Ack.
designate Joanna for assignment.
give The Blue Jays Hunter his outright release.
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Joooooooooannnnnnnaaaaa
The pirates arent crappy just cause of their payroll, they are crappy because they make stupid moves even within the payroll.
the royals have missed on several picks and gordon is hurt this year.
id say the jays could be pretty much as good as they are now with a payroll even lower..depending on how smart they are about dollar allocation.
seriously, if you swapped out rios and wells contracts for a couple guys making 3-4 million a year, would the team be worse?
Honestly, if someone wanted to take Halladay and Wells for $1 or an A ball pitcher, I'd do it. That would never happen, but it's a nice thought.
I don't think it works. The reason to move Wells is to free up money for Halladay, so putting them together, I don't quite get. I'd rather keep VW and get full value for Roy, personally.
So Stoeten, you see the jays being the pirates of the AL at a 40 mill payroll basically?
Rogers certainly seems to be leaning in that direction based on recent comments.
Sigh, I feel a lot of stupid comments about JP coming.
So Stoeten, you see the jays being the pirates of the AL at a 40 mill payroll basically?
Where do you get that?
JP is stupid
Sigh, I feel a lot of stupid comments about JP coming.
Ugh. I know.
Why dont you send down bj to the minors
BECAUSE YOU CANT SEND HIM DOWN WITHOUT HIS PERMISSION!!!!!!!
while we are at it, why dont we trade dellucci for the frozen corpse of ted williams.
Why the f does everyone h8 jp?
Am I the only fuckin fan in Toronto who likes him?
Trade Stoeten for The Crack that JB and paolo are smokin.
designate Joanna for assignment.
give The Blue Jays Hunter his outright release.
Dellucci sucked in Cleveland, sucked in Vegas, and has sucked so far here. Next.
BJ Ryan told me his number at a party, but I never once called him. I thought it was funny and unforgetable.
With JP, I got his number for a mutal friend after checking her cell phone because I did not believe her. Called it and got JP's voice mail. Never have called it again but have dialed it up in frustration, just too chicken to hit the send.
The only way I call is when he leaves Toronto to thank him for a job well done except for caving and hiring Cito.
Make Delucci the closer
LIES LIES ALL LIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"I don't think it works. The reason to move Wells is to free up money for Halladay, so putting them together, I don't quite get. I'd rather keep VW and get full value for Roy, personally."
Well I was just comparing to scenarios: Having Wells and Halladay, or have neither.
I'd rather have the extra $36M in 2010 and extra $45M the 3 years after that than have Halladay/Wells.
You can add Millar to the list of people who need to go.
You can add Millar to the list of people who need to go.
You can't get rid of him... he's the libido of the team while Litsch is gone.
Millar is dirt cheap
Dellucci sucks - we know. But what do we do with his roster spot? You're telling me the organization doesn't have someone to come up and DH or play LF or split time with JoBau? Did they have ALL of their chips on Snider?
So is Delluci, they both still need to go
Why the f does everyone h8 jp?
Am I the only fuckin fan in Toronto who likes him?
No, but I'd wager it's a lot easier to leave a comment on a blog or to call in to a radio station when you have a clear, blunt, usually negative point. There's not much impetus for someone to call in and try to quickly wade through the Ricciardi question in an intelligent manner. People who are actually digesting the whole of it need a lot more time to explain their perspective-- like with a blog, or hosting a radio show perhaps.
Did you know Jesse Litch's nickname is RoHo?
The only FA signing mistake was BJ Ryan. It was the biggest contract ever for a reliever and closers are overrated anyway. Every other one was fine with me. The Wells contract was most likely Godfrey's call. Thomas contract was fine except for the extra year. Burnett's was fine. Rios and Hill were more than fine. Just because you don't like them in hindsight doesn't mean they weren't perfectly reasonable contracts at the time of the signing.
"Dellucci sucks - we know. But what do we do with his roster spot? You're telling me the organization doesn't have someone to come up and DH or play LF or split time with JoBau? Did they have ALL of their chips on Snider?"
Ruiz FTW!
With Delucci in left and Millar and DH, the Jays are set for the next 10...maybe 15 years.
Stoeten, I want you to take a picture of Paolo at the ASG get together, and put it on this blog for all to see. It's nice to put a face to a retarded annoying douchebag.
I have always wondered of people who type like retards actually talk like retards too. Perhaps some video may be appropriate.
Dellucci sucks - we know. But what do we do with his roster spot? You're telling me the organization doesn't have someone to come up and DH or play LF or split time with JoBau? Did they have ALL of their chips on Snider?
Inglett, Adams, Ruiz, and then you have to go way too young (and still not very good)...
"The only FA signing mistake was BJ Ryan. It was the biggest contract ever for a reliever and closers are overrated anyway. Every other one was fine with me. The Wells contract was most likely Godfrey's call. Thomas contract was fine except for the extra year. Burnett's was fine. Rios and Hill were more than fine. Just because you don't like them in hindsight doesn't mean they weren't perfectly reasonable contracts at the time of the signing."
Thomas' contract was fine except for the extra year? Perhaps, but in that case I could say that Wells' contract is perfectly fine except for the extra $13M/year.
And I still take exception to putting all the blame for the Wells contract on Godfrey, but weve been over that.
I think people are going off the deep end a little about this shit. It seems obvious to me they would have asked BJ to go down and pitch, he must have refused and now what else are you going to do. Have him stew in the bullpen? I don't get how this could be related to selling the team. The costs to the team remain the same.
Well I was just comparing to scenarios: Having Wells and Halladay, or have neither.
I'd rather have the extra $36M in 2010 and extra $45M the 3 years after that than have Halladay/Wells.
Interesting. Yeah, maybe you're right.
Oh damn, apologies for my earlier comment, forgot they needed his consent to send him down. Though if he actually wanted to play, he probably would have agreed.
Me and Paolo used to do acid together, he's actually a decent person
Thomas contract was fine except for the extra year.
Already covered, but yeah... no.
Oh damn, apologies for my earlier comment, forgot they needed his consent to send him down. Though if he actually wanted to play, he probably would have agreed.
There is a very good chance that he's done and isn't going to be back in the majors. Sending him to the minors might not have accomplished anything.
JB = Fake Adam Dunn.
(The one who called from a "514" number to apologize, but Adam Dunn denied ever having done?)
did Rzepczynski get lucky last night? Did Tampa have no clue what was coming because they had no film or scouting report on him?
did Rzepczynski get lucky last night? Did Tampa have no clue what was coming because they had no film or scouting report on him?
No, we all decided yesterday that he's the next Jimmy Key.
There is a very good chance that he's done and isn't going to be back in the majors. Sending him to the minors might not have accomplished anything.
For him, you mean? Because since they're paying him anyway, they really only released him because they needed the roster spot. If he'd agreed to go down, he could have at least tried to work it out in the organization, rather than as a free agent. No real reason why he should do that, though.
thomas' contract really wasn't that bad, he was fine in the first year of it, an OPS of .857 really isn't that bad, he did exactly what he was paid to do, and performed exactly like what is expected of frank thomas - slow start, heats up a few weeks in. it shouldn't have been a shock to anyone when he started slow in 2008, it's ricciardi's fault for adding a stupid 3rd year vesting option, which ruined the contract. i bet thomas would have signed without it
By the way anonymous, you can check me out on facebook, i am listed as "attending" the djf drinking night.
Relax everyone the jays will be fine, and wont leave toronto any time soon, or lower their payroll to the depths of hell. Or maybe lowering their payroll would be a good strategy to have them moved to a different division, or to have a balanced schedule made.
Rzep looked good to me. Looked a lot more ready to be here than Mills, that's for sure.
"did Rzepczynski get lucky last night? Did Tampa have no clue what was coming because they had no film or scouting report on him?"
I thought Rzepczynski looked really good apart from the fact that he was afraid to throw strikes at certain points.
did Rzepczynski get lucky last night? Did Tampa have no clue what was coming because they had no film or scouting report on him?
I really liked what I saw, apart from the command at times. Ground balls, good sinking fastball, and an out pitch. Not bad. (Though Keith Law was on ESPN's fantasy podcast today and said that, based on his disgusting arm action-- a pie thrower-- he's probably going to keep having command problems and maybe arm trouble.
Blair's pulling a Stormin Norman right now
Are we REALLY going to be good in 2010? What happens if the offense goes all '08 on us?
For him, you mean? Because since they're paying him anyway, they really only released him because they needed the roster spot. If he'd agreed to go down, he could have at least tried to work it out in the organization, rather than as a free agent. No real reason why he should do that, though.
For him, yeah. I shouldn't really say it because it's a baseless accusation but the first thing that comes to my mind with B.J.'s dead arm is steroids. I don't know if there is any possibility that he is going to work this out.
Deleted, anonymous, for taking a shot at my credibility like a fuck. But acknowledged: Dellucci didn't suck in Vegas.
""Relax everyone the jays will be fine, and wont leave toronto any time soon, or lower their payroll to the depths of hell. Or maybe lowering their payroll would be a good strategy to have them moved to a different division, or to have a balanced schedule made.""
YOU, Paolo, just said in the last thread that the Jays were going to be another Montreal!
Well, which is it?
"Though Keith Law was on ESPN's fantasy podcast today and said that, based on his disgusting arm action-- a pie thrower-- he's probably going to keep having command problems and maybe arm trouble."
That's hardly an earth shattering prediction for this team.
the first thing that comes to my mind with B.J.'s dead arm is steroids.
That's what Griff would insinuate.
MUHUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
Did Wells or Rios use PEDs?
the first thing that comes to my mind with B.J.'s dead arm is steroids.
That's what Griff would insinuate.
Comparing me to Griff, ouch. I knew I shouldn't have brought it up.
JB was apparently BJ's houseboy which is how he'd have his number. He did a film about it, JB's in the second scene. Apparently BJ picked up JB when the latter was working Church St at night. Needless to say, JB gave BJ a BJ.
I kid you not.
http://www.hotmovies.com/video/49752/Homo-Houseboys/?
Free Buck Coats!!
.321 BA, 818 OPS, 22/5 SB/CS, 27:41 bb:k
is it really that farfetched to believe he was on steroids, though?
is it really that farfetched to believe he was on steroids, though?
I don't think so. According to McCowan everyone is on steroids except for Cito and Johnny Mac.
At this point is this starting to remind anyone of the end of the Ash era, except they are going to let the current GM get rid of the franchise player.
Good chance Wells did. Weight loss, stats drop - usual signs.
Paolo is off the clock, see you all around game time, cheers. PS i said we will end up like montreal if people dont support the jays and give rogers reason to keep them. remember when labatt gave them up, no one stepped forward, not even the mlse. Rogers stepped forward and y'all should be damn proud that Ted kept a team in Toronto for at least a dacade since.
Comparing me to Griff, ouch. I knew I shouldn't have brought it up.
He's probably right.
Good chance Wells did. Weight loss, stats drop - usual signs.
Except he put up his 3rd best season of OPS last year, and if he was healthy probably would have had his third best overall year in counting stats, as well. Maybe better.
Why don't we go after Pedro? Or Paul Byrd?
No way the Jays go the way of the Expos. Many reasons for that.
The only FA signing mistake was BJ Ryan. It was the biggest contract ever for a reliever and closers are overrated anyway. Every other one was fine with me. The Wells contract was most likely Godfrey's call. Thomas contract was fine except for the extra year. Burnett's was fine. Rios and Hill were more than fine. Just because you don't like them in hindsight doesn't mean they weren't perfectly reasonable contracts at the time of the signing
JPfanboy excuse-making. No basis in fact to blame Godfrey for Wells' contract. Pure excuse-making.
Terrible JP contracts.
1. Hinkse
2. Koskie
3. Ryan
4. Wells
5. Thomas
All except Wells paid by Toronto not to play for Toronto. What other team has done this so many times in the last few years?
Worst GM ever.
Why don't we go after Pedro? Or Paul Byrd?
Has pitching really been the problem?
If the Jays left Toronto, there REALLY would be nothing to do...
It's true...if Wells has a full season last year, he was on pace to hit .300, 30 hrs, 100 rbis.
It makes this year hard to understand.
Beeston has been oddly quiet during these last few days.
Worst GM ever.
Worst commenter ever.
If you want to make a statement like that, you really have to look a shitload deeper.
Why don't we go after Pedro? Or Paul Byrd?
Why don't we sign Stieb, Key & Hentgen to minor league contracts and have them pitch the Baltimore series?
Were not fuckin signing some 35+ year old SP for half a fuckin season when we have better or equal arms in AAA.
Beeston has been oddly odd for the last few decades.
Fucking Jim Kelley is a brain dead idiot.
time to send him back to lackawana
I'm so happy BJ is done, and he is noticably smaller in stature this year then he has been in the past. So I would not rule out steroids.
Let's all just be happy he is gone.
two questions for stoeten (though anyone can answer the first one)
-what does it mean that JP wouldnt allow anyone to negotiate an extension if he traded him?
-do you get paid for running this website?
I wish people would stop talking shit about the Jays leaving Toronto.
If Halladay leaves, if the Jays finish last, if the roof breaks down -- the Blue Jays will still be here.
The Blue Jays will win another WS in our lifetime, believe it. Just be patient, support the team, and enjoy the fucking baseball you are getting.
You could be leaving in Europe and watch soccer hell.
to the dumbass who said "what GM hands out this many bad contracts?" it happens a lot, look at detroit for example, they have a ridiculous number of bad contracts and are leading their division. pick a team and i bet they have a bad contract on them right now.
Living in Europe is what I meant, of course.
"Beeston has been oddly odd for the last few decades."
Since he's been the interm he's been willing to talk alot about the jays and future plans, yesterday he declined to comment on Halladay. That hasn't been his style this year.
JB... you almost had me agreeing, then you said something retarded about soccer. Close, though.
Can someone explain the salary bit to me. If another team picks him up, do the Jays still have to pay his salary?
ya they pay him the full amount minus whatever hte new team signs him for. which would certainly be the league minimum of 400,000, so the jays save that much.
Ryan and Wells must have got into some crazy shit together during the offseason to make them suck so bad this year
Soccer is a just an example of what is wrong with Europe in terms of politics, economy, etc.
Baseball is an example of what is right with North America.
pick a team and i bet they have a bad contract on them right now.
For sure. What magnifies is the payroll the Jays have, the fact that it got smaller this year, and the fact that they play in the AL East.
Flip through MLBcontracts.blogspot.com ... there are a lot of them out there.Batista?
Rogers don't want the shit hawks anymore they will keep the skydome but the jays will leave.
Lazy, injury faking, slow, never score -- that's soccer for you and Europeans attitude in general.
There are a lot of bad contracts. Cleveland is paying a shitload for Delucci to play for Toronto. It may pay off when we meet them in a series though.
-what does it mean that JP wouldnt allow anyone to negotiate an extension if he traded him?
That was what happened with the Santana deal-- a condition of the trade was that the Mets got a window to negotiate a contract extension with him. If they couldn't agree to a long-term extension with Santana and his agent, the trade wouldn't happen.
-do you get paid for running this website?
No. We get quite a bit of ad revenue, though.
just look at detroit - sheffield, willis, robertson, guillen (cause hes hurt..), ordonez, i get the feeling i'm forgetting another starting pitcher. that's a LOT.
I just checked MLB Trade Rumours for the first time in a while and -wow- everything is about Halladay. And with that line by Ricciardi, I'm left feeling pretty empty. The pessimist in me thinks he could walk, and we get Burnett'ed by the Yankees, stealing our picks away.
Sigh. I'm comforted only thinking that if he leaves, our rotation might look something like Marcum, McGowan, Romero, Litsch, and Cecil; we could certainly do worse.
Soccer is a just an example of what is wrong with Europe in terms of politics, economy, etc.
Baseball is an example of what is right with North America.
Lazy, injury faking, slow, never score -- that's soccer for you and Europeans attitude in general.
Welp, right back to being a fucking idiot, then.
No that the blue jays offence last year.
You'd never get Burnett'ed on the picks, Doc would most certainly be Free Agent 1A. It will never get that far, though.
Add Bart Given to the list of "inevitables" now. Good blog read on sportsnet.ca.
BANG BANG STOETON!!!
Every team has mistake contracts.
Boston is paying JD Drew 16 million and Dice-K 20 million.
Yanks paid Pavano 30 million to pitch 6 games.
Baseball contracts are complete lunacy, arguing them is like arguing about magic cards. Its fucking retarded.
OK Andrew, let's agree with this statement:
I wish people would stop talking shit about the Jays leaving Toronto.
If Halladay leaves, if the Jays finish last, if the roof breaks down -- the Blue Jays will still be here.
The Blue Jays will win another WS in our lifetime, believe it. Just be patient, support the team, and enjoy the baseball you are getting.
Agreed?
Terrible JP contracts.
1. Hinkse
2. Koskie
3. Ryan
4. Wells
5. Thomas
Hinske - You dumbass, he was re-signed (5/14.75M) after his ROOKIE OF THE YEAR SEASON. No one knew he was going to peak then and start spending all that money on Doritos.
Koskie - He was signed to a 3/17.5M deal after a solid tenure in Minnesota. JP was probably pressured to sign a Canadian and he did just that. If he didn't go down with injuries, he would've lived up to the contract.
The other three were bad signings, especially Ryan. You can argue that Wells got a market value contract and that Thomas' deal was fine except for the vesting option. Maybe JP had to overpay to lure them to Toronto.
I can agree with that, JB. For sure.
WHO'S THE ALARMIST NOW STOETEN, HUH? HUH?? GUH.
I't's not normal to be depressed like this. Falling in love with the meat, indeed.
So while we are shitting on JP's bad contracts, everyone forgets the good ones. What about Aaron Hill or some guy named Halladay who we got on the cheap the last few years.
Ack:
These are players that come and go. Some are better than others but at sometime they all decline and end up the same: retired and useless.
I understand the romanticsm of a Halladay forever but don't fall in love with the meat. Especially millionaire meat.
Sorry troll, but it's pretty obvious when comments are yours, and they're no longer welcome.
Even the Rios contract was a great one and still is. Instead of the star potential he has, he'll probably max out at 20 HR/90 RBI/30 SB, a .850 OPS, and great fielding. You can do much worse than that for 7yrs/69.8M.
JB, no doubt it would make things easier and less complicated, but I can't think about the Jays like a goddamned computer program.
I got feelings, man.
No, seriously. The journalism comment was mine. I'm not the guy you're talking about before. Honest. I was just wondering if you had any credentials, because you got mad when the other guy questioned them. So I figure you do, was wondering what they were.
Honestly, I'm not the same guy.
"What credibility, Stoeten? Are you a journalism major or something?"
I think Stoeten is an asshole and everything, but this comment is pure tripe. The worst baseball people are "journalism majors" writing for the newspapers. Blogs have actually educated the average ignorant fan. Something "journalism majors" could not do for 100 years.
I agree. You don't need credentials to talk baseball. But why is Stoeten getting so upset? I thought he was studying something in the media all this time. Just wanted clarification, not to anger everyone.
Clearly Parkes isn't a journalism major.
Honestly, if someone wanted to take Halladay and Wells for $1 or an A ball pitcher, I'd do it.
HURR great idea. You really are a stupid fuck. Stop posting.
"Clearly Parkes isn't a journalism major."
Clearly you haven't seen his "5 questions" material
I love this concept that contracts that look crappy now were ok because "at the time they were signed, they seemed reasonable."
Hmm...let's think about this. So the job of the GM/upper management is to take the data they have at hand, from past performance on a player, and award a contract based on THAT without looking ahead and estimating future production of that player based on a series of factors.
Sounds like anyone with access to a players carreer stats could be a GM then.
NOOOO. the good gms are the ones that look down the road and make predictions about what a player is worth going forward.( i.e. injury risk, how well do his talents project based on body type, work ethick, position, skill set).
This compiled data is then compared to what other MLB players with similar skills are getting paid and what value the player has relative to others at his position...and vs replacement level talent that is freely available.
any fucking retard can look at stats and dole out money based on that.
a good GM would know that Koskie was getting old, was very, very injury prone, and you were basically paying for past not future production.
Wells was a player that was above average but the so called "market value" of his contract was insanse at the time. Teams were doling out money for the likes of Gary mattews and actually good outfielders values were artificially elevated. Just because some asshole idiot GM offers a crappy player a shit load of dollars does not mean you must follow suit.
Thomas was a no bid contract. we blew him away with an offer that was way beyond what any other team was going to give him....to say it wasnt a bad deal except for the "second" year is like saying oJ was innocent except that he did kill his wife.
BJ ryan...no point in even discussing this..you dont give a relief pitcher 10 million a year unless he's named rivera and you are one piece from a championship
Sorry Warren. No, I have no credentials, no journalism background or anything. Just whatever people think based on what I put on here. And I don't at all mind that being questioned, but we just have a clown who likes to abuse the fact that we don't moderate our comments by constantly taking asinine, anonymous pot shots at us. I'm fed up with it, so I've been deleting his nonsense and telling him to go fuck himself. Not really as much the issue of my credibility as it was the piece of shit questioning it.
Not that I really think he has a chance at coming back but why didn't the Jays just designate the Beej for assignment? You have to pay that big fuck anyway.
It's kind of sad when I think about his first year where he would come out to Slipnot and they had the flames on outfield boards everyone (drunk people) would get so fucking jacked.
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