Tuesday, July 7, 2009

Fuck Off, Rosenthal

kenny

"We have to see what's out there," Blue Jays general manager J.P. Ricciardi says. "I'm not saying we're going to shop him. But if something makes sense, we at least have to listen. We're (leaning) more toward listening than we've ever been."

There’s the money quote from the latest effort from an American writer to explode a tiny kernel of possibility acknowledged by JP Ricciardi that the Jays might consider maybe considering listening to an offer on Roy Halladay if they get an offer that makes sense—this time from that fucking Oompa-Loompa, Kenny Ken Kenneth Ken Kenny Rosenthal—into full-blown Halladay-on-the-block hysteria.

Fuck. Off.

This is not news.

I know those maybe sound like the words of a Jays fan fiercely in denial, but they're really not. This is just fucking tiresome. How many times over the years has Ricciardi said—about not just Halladay, but any player—that “if something makes sense, we at least have to listen”?

Of fucking course he’ll listen! Is that seriously all you’ve got???

The article—which is titled “Jays’ Halladay all but gone in Toronto”, though I’ll give Kenny Ken Ken the benefit of the doubt that he didn’t title the piece—is just a cheap way for Rosenthal to exploit a tiny shift in Ricciardi’s language from statements month ago, get some face time and some page views, and to give sports talk radio shows an easy topic to run with. [Cue wanking motion].

That's right, Fan590 and your ridiculous fucking morning dedicated to making a mountain out of this horseshit, you’re not a whole lot better in my books right now. I mean, I know it's early, but could you maybe read a little more than just the title?

Oh, but here’s the fucking bulletproof conclusion that Rosenthal has come to:

Ricciardi says the Jays will not trade Halladay if they do not receive the right offer, knowing that the team's best chance of competing next season is with the pitcher at the top of the rotation.

C'mon.

Once this process starts, it's almost impossible to stop. Rest assured, the Jays are assembling prospect lists and preparing to assign their scouts to investigate rival farm systems. Halladay is a goner. It's just a matter of when and where.

Yeah! C’mon!

A real fucking compelling argument. Never heard of a team saying that they might consider listening to an offer on a player and then not eventually going through with it.

Rosenthal then goes through about ten teams who he figures could potentially be in the “sweepstakes”, and basically concludes that none of them appear to have the right combination of prospects to move, payroll to accommodate taking on the Doc’s salary, while still being a desirable-enough destination for him to waive his no-trade clause for.

He also said on the Fan's morning show that his immediate reaction was "whoa, this is a reversal," but that when he spoke to Ricciardi about it, JP said it's not, and that the Jays have "always been open minded."

So… ? Then... ? What… ?

Fucking ridiculous horseshit is what. Is Kenny really prepared to look JP in the eye with this nonsense? I mean, provided he was able to find a chair to stand on. Talk to me when there’s something new to discuss here. What a fucking waste.

UPDATE: Ricciardi showed up on Mike Hogan's show on the Fan 590 this morning to address this tiresome non-story:

"We're not putting up a sign that says we're trading Roy Halladay. I think that's the furthest thing from what's going on right now."

"We're not out there shopping him, but like any of our players, if someone comes knocking, we wouldn't be doing our job if we don't listen."

"That's what it's like this time of year, during the trading period."

"We've always said that a) we don't want to trade Roy Halladay, and b) if we do decide to trade Roy Halladay, it's going to be very painful for the other organization."

155 rational and reasonable comments:

Ravishing Rick Rude said...

What I'd like to have is for all you fat, out-of-shape sweathogs to keep the noise down while I shoe all these ladies what a real man looks like.
Start The Music

Brad Fullmer Fan said...

I just don't see how a Halladay deal (barring some ridiculous package being offered) makes sense for the Jays at this point. They've spent the last 9 months telling fans that 2010 is the year they'll actually try, and now they are going to trade their best player for prospects? It's possible that kind of a trade could alienate half of their fan base right now.

I mean, they didn't even trade Burnett last year when everybody thought they would. What makes Ken so damn sure the Jays will trade Doc?

Anonymous said...

I don't see how trading Doc makes sense in any way whatsoever. He's not especially old, he's pitching as well as he ever did, and the chances of finding a prospect who can approach the same level are small to say the least. If Ricciardi spent less time bullshitting and more time actually trying to make the team win, he might not even want to go. As it is, I'm finding it tough to blame him.

Brad Fullmer Fan said...

Also keep in mind that even if the Jays keep Halladay and he doesn't re-sign, they can still get 2 high compensation picks for him. What kind of package could possibly be worth that?

Bob Loblaw said...

Where there's smoke, there's probably fire, and my bet is this will happen.

The larger issue is how does JP keep his job? With Thomas, Rios and Wells, plus BJ, this guy's judgement is a fucking joke.

He sure gets an easy ride.

Jeff said...

For what it's worth:

I am a DIE-HARD LOYAL Blue Jays fan. When they lose close games, I feel like crying. My emotional attachment to this team is probably bordering on the slightly-unhealthy. My wife is close to leaving me after I swore so loud in the car on Sunday after the Yankee tying home run, that she almost got out of the car and walked home. I would've let her... if it weren't for Roy Halladay.

He is the reason that I refuse to give up on this season. The Good Doctor is our eternal reason for optimism this season. I know the Jays are 43-41, which is really, really crappy considering the good start the team got off to, but if Roy Halladay still believes, then I believe, as far off of a chance as it might be.

If Mr. Halladay agrees to be traded, and I don't care what it is for (ok, maybe some exceptions can be made here, but it would involve one RECORD RIDICULOUS HAUL OF GOLDEN PLAYERS to convince me that it is a good idea to trade Halladay at this time), I will be forced to believe that this team is mailing it in for another few years... I seriously don't know if I can handle that.

I don't believe he is going anywhere this year, but if he does, the backlash will be of epic proportions... so much so, that I think the team would suffer for years because of it.

Oh, and piss off, Ken Rosenthal.

Brad Fullmer Fan said...

JP's contract only runs to 2010, and I believe he's said that he might leave after that. So any Halladay trade would be odd...it would signal a complete change of strategy and a full rebuild...but it wouldn't be a rebuild that Ricciardi would be around for. Where the hell is the upside for JP in a Halladay trade? It would just make him the least liked guy in Toronto for a year until his contract runs out.

methodfilter said...

I would trade Halladay for some decent picks, IF (and only IF) that team also took Vernon with him.

Stoeten said...

He sure gets an easy ride.

Hahaha? Really? Guy has taken a world of shit for 8 years, despite, at least the last few, having a team that would win just about any division in baseball. Let's not start this nonsense.

Jeff, if they trade Halladay they won't be mailing anything in, just retooling, and they'll probably struggle to finish fourth for a while. If he's not going to sign after his contract expires, though, it's probably best for the team.

Brad Fullmer Fan said...

Is there a legitimate reason to think he won't re-sign with the team, though?

Alex said...

Halladay has an NTC and I don't see him waiving it in the middle of a season

Jimmy Vulmer said...

I mean, come on.

Christopher said...

As much as I love Halladay if we can get a ML ready starter (like Bucholz) and a boatload of top prospects I think we have to consider it.

Brad Fullmer Fan said...

Kypreos chimes in with the Leafs/Gustavsson news on the Fan 590. Maybe this will finally shut down this ridiculous firestorm, and they'll start talking about that instead. Because Ricciardi really said nothing in those interviews (or the one with Fan 590) that he hasn't said before.

Ron Logel said...

If Ken Rosenthal is busy writing articles, who's policing the blogisphere? Please, won't somebody think of the children?!

Stoeten said...

Bahahahahaha! Nails!

Anonymous said...

THE MOSTER LANDS IN TORONTO!!!!

paolo said...

Oh man this rosenthal guy can take my nut sack in his mouth "in and out, in and out, in and out." People like this that make money fabricating lies, can eat my balls.

Anonymous said...

Now that's kinda like the pot calling the kettle black isn't it paolo?

eyebleaf said...

If Halladay is dealt, two weeks of national mourning will be declared.

But it's not happening. Doc's Toronto.

Weezy said...

Guys, this is just a ploy by JP to get people calling him....I'm sure we will see some selling but it won't be Halladay. This is the ol' bait and switch.

str2k9 said...

OK, first thing, I have very little desire to see Halladay traded.

BUT, there is part of me that thinks, "well, he's been one of the best pitchers in baseball for 7 of the last 8 years (minus his stinky 2004 half-season) and look at what we've won." I know, I know, the Jays could've won other divisions. That logic, however, really means dick-all. They're just fantasies to keep us sane while the Jays constantly meander behind Boston and New York, and now Tampa too.

A small part of me thinks that I'd rather roll the dice on getting a boat load of prospects than roll the dice on keeping for Halladay for 2010 (because, in all honesty, I don't believe the great run in 2010 is anything more than a marketing ploy being sold to us on the faulty belief that injured arms come back more healthy than before said injuries.)

Websters said...

Paolo
Function:noun
: an individual who habitually tells lies so exaggerated or bizarre that they are suggestive of mental disorder

Brad Fullmer Fan said...

I still don't think any prospects package will get you the value that re-signing Roy Halladay would.

Stoeten said...

I'd like to believe that.

What kills me is that the only, very slight change to anything that he's ever said is that "we're more toward listening than we've ever been."

Well... yeah. When do you start seriously thinking about trading a guy on a long-term deal that you think you might not be able to re-sign? Probably right about now. Definitely more so than before the season, I'd think, and more so than heading into last year's deadline, so... uh... yeah. They probably are listening more than ever.

It's just a joke that so much is being made of this "story".

Stoeten said...

I forget now what I wanted to believe when started writing that last comment.

Weezy said...

Halladay is not going anywhere. Way more likely is at least one of Scootaro, Barajas, Overbay and I hope Rios. Talking about Halladay is just a nice way to get opposing GM's to look at the T.O roster and calling JP's phone.

woozlewazzle said...

Paolo, I don't think the people at Rogers would like to bragging about abusing your confidentiality priviledges.

Keep in mind who reads this blog.

Anonymous said...

Remember The Fred McGriff Trade

The Ack said...

If we ever see the day where Halladay is traded, I'll likely throw out my back from rocking in the fetal position for days on end. Think a coked-up Leo Mazzone.

It would have to be a monster haul to ever have me snap out of it. Like, a Clayton Kershaw and Matt Kemp sized haul, or a Tommy Hanson/Jason Heyward deal, which is ridiculous, but that's what I'm talking about.

I would just fucking die if it's some horseshit package from the Phillies involving prospects from the low minors who you need Baseball Prospectus to get a handle on.

That said - non-story. Happy to see JP hit the airwaves to piss on Kenny Ken Ken's speculatory bullshit.

Anonymous said...

The Monster Joey Gusta is comin to T.O.!!

Brad Fullmer Fan said...

Here's the thing...if they do actually trade Halladay (I still consider the entire idea ridiculous, because I just don't understand the upside from Ricciardi's perspective), I think it signals an entire rebuild. Which would mean selling all of their other players (Rolen, Overbay, Scutaro, Barajas, Wells if you can). They certainly can't win in 2010 without Doc, so why keep a bunch of veterans that aren't under contract past 2010? Any Doc trade would mean this team will finish last in the AL East for quite a few years.

Weezy said...

Not to mention Rogers controls the universe. I would sleep with one eye open Paolo. Who knows what they might do. You might find yourself getting snuffed by those annoying punks from their comercials.

paolo said...

Which is why i havent disclosed any details of their personal information with you all.

I am not denying that they probably have been working with well on his batting for quite a long time. And that my suggestion to cito, may have even fallen on deaf ears, but i am just happy to have noticed something so small that he happened to change from 2008 to 2009, and then adjust over the last week.

Cheers to all the doubters, i will stop trying to achieve the impossible "belief" and just continue my pursuit to ultimately run the blue jays in the future by moving up the corporate ladder.

Anonymous said...

Stackhouse is comin to T.O. as well

Ian H. said...

Ken Rosenthal is a hypocrite. First he chastizes Jerod Morris on his piece about Raul Ibanez, then Rosenthal turns around and does the very same thing he was yelling at Morris about by speculating about Halladay saying he's "all but gone". Whatever happened to the power of the written word, Ken?

paolo said...

stop spending all your time on these blogs guys and vote adam lind into the allstar game.

Fred said...

Rosenthal reins supreme!!! SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUPREME!!

woozlewazzle said...

Stoeten, can we have Paolo on the next podcast? Maybe get a little debate going on with David from Saskatchewan.

Anonymous said...

Fuck off Stoeten.

If our idiot GM had half a brain he wouldn't even address the topic!!

Instead he goes out and GIVES Rosenthal more than he ever wants! How fucking retarded are you JP?!

I guarantee you JP is getting called out on the carpet tody by Beeston.

What type of moron gives any credence to the idea that a team struggling at the gate and on the edge of playoff contention, would even acknowledge the POSSIBILITY of trading their best player.

I'm sorry, but Rosenthal is just doing his job, some sensationalistic headline writer added fuel to the fire and JP Ricciardi has proven once again that the only part of his anatomy larger than his beak is his mouth!

Shut your fucking yap, JP!!!

paolo said...

Well i dunno what i could debate about i never really watched the jays a lot until roughly 5 years ago when my grandfather died of cancer. He was the biggest jays fan ever and thus i have dedicated the rest of my life to being a jays fan.

Dont get me wrong, i love baseball, and currently play in mens leagues and have played since i was little, but i hope i would not be asked to much about Jays history. My knowledge lies in mechanics and the nooks and crannies of the game.

Stedron said...

"Think a coked-up Leo Mazzone"

Leo Mazzone isn't usually coked up?

woozlewazzle said...

Paolo, just be yourself on the podcast! That would be more than enough!

And your knowledge on the nooks and crannies. Explain more! Please!

Arnold said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WL1lfSzgcAw

Stoeten said...

Here's the thing...if they do actually trade Halladay (I still consider the entire idea ridiculous, because I just don't understand the upside from Ricciardi's perspective), I think it signals an entire rebuild

Exactly. I mean, if he trades Halladay JP might as well resign, because he sure as shit isn't guiding them through the next major rebuild.

Stoeten said...

What type of moron gives any credence to the idea that a team struggling at the gate and on the edge of playoff contention, would even acknowledge the POSSIBILITY of trading their best player.

An honest one?

Anonymous said...

Paolo, by "nooks and crannies" and "personal numbers", you're not referring to massage services by any chance are you?

Ravishing Rick Rude said...

Stop the music..
What I'd like to have right now is for all you high rollin toronto city sweat hogs
keep the noice down while I take my robe off And give the ladies a good look at the sexiest man ALIVE!!
Hit the music

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yoMU4ij2lc

paolo said...

maybe i do massage them, but thats confidential ;)

cito personally has too much tension in his shoulders caused by Ryan sucking, the starting staff being to oft injured and the big boys (rios and wells) slowly getting better.

Anonymous said...

Paolo's Blue Jay Rub n' Tug?

paolo said...

possibly, i hire young asian women, wells loves the asians.

colinrabyniuk said...

Roy Halladay deserves to play for a contender and if the Jays can't deliver that then they should move him now. besides, if you were Halladay,would you sign an extension? I mean JP already convinced him once that the Jays will be a winner, so i doubt he'll be so easily swayed by the "we'll be a winner soon" argument.
Moving him now is probably better for the franchise anyway, in terms of the next 5-10 years. We trade him and get an mlb ready, future ace like Hughes/Bucholz/Hanson/Kershaw, plus 2-3 good-to-great prospects... or we try to extend his contract and get another 4 years of 16-20 wins.

Anonymous said...

Hey Paolo - what do you do for Rogers?

SP said...

JP is not trading Doc.

1) He has mentioned repeatedly, in response to who knows how many calls from the Rosenthals of the world, that he will NOT trade Doc unless the Jays end up raping the other team in the trade. I guess that's just JP lying it up again though, right?

2) JP has never made a bad trade, ever.

Anonymous said...

I don't see it happening. The Padres supposedly couldn't get a decent return for Peavy all last offseason, with clubs keeping their top prospects as a cost saving measure. Now, Doc's the best (or best on the trade block) so maybe you get a bit more but I doubt enough to warrant a trade. That being said, it's also JP, Douchebag Extraordinaire, so God only knows...

Anonymous said...

Paolo - just askin. My buddy is in some sort of cubicle for them downtown...

woozlewazzle said...

"why must you know, i dont want to divulge, but i work within wireless"

You just admitted to sending players and coaches text messages, which is probably abusing your priviledges (unless this is part of your job), and you DONT want to divuldge? You've probably already admitted enough on here to get yourself a good talking to, if not firing.

JB said...

Am I the only one looking forward to Halladay trade?

We could get a shitload for this guy.

I am talking Lester, Bard, and Bucholtz type of deal. Hell, even throw in Lars Anderson.

Stoeten said...

2) JP has never made a bad trade, ever.

Though he did offer Roy for Foppert, Williams and Ainsworth once. Unless that was the other way around.

Roy Halladay deserves to play for a contender and if the Jays can't deliver that then they should move him now. besides, if you were Halladay,would you sign an extension? I mean JP already convinced him once that the Jays will be a winner, so i doubt he'll be so easily swayed by the "we'll be a winner soon" argument.

The Jays don't owe it to Halladay to move him to a contender. And now you act like the Jays aren't remotely close to being a winner. Forty games ago what did you think?

Stoeten said...

Am I the only one looking forward to Halladay trade?

We could get a shitload for this guy.

I am talking Lester, Bard, and Bucholtz type of deal. Hell, even throw in Lars Anderson.


Not. A. Chance.

Anonymous said...

An honest one?

Does anyone out there really believe if/when Roy Halladay gets traded they are going to let J.P. Ricciardi make that move?

Ricciardi is no Brian Burke, but he'd like to be. Every once in a while, he comes out of his hole with some ridiculous comment to get his name in the press.

Whether or not the jays have any intention of trading Doc, but opening his mouth yet again, Ricciardi has created a huge distraction to his team and sent the wrong message at a critical point in the season.

THAT is the stroy, not whether or not Halladay should be dealt.

paolo said...

alright enough, all of the sudden trying to talk about something cool, has turned into trying to continually harrass me, i have had enough about this topic.

Bryan Mcwilliam said...

Ken Rosenthal is probably the biggest shitpot stirrer in baseball media.

He has even admitted in previous times that because he starts articles like this one trades often happen.

He actually takes credit for putting ideas into baseball executives minds and they might pan out .5% of the actual time.

The guy is an idiot.

His article today about Halladay is pure speculation and he even admits it here

" Warning! While I'm basing this list on some initial conversations with major-league executives, it is largely speculative. To my knowledge, none of the names mentioned below have even been discussed yet." - Ken Rosenthal

Ummm...so you've spoken to Major League reps and names were not discussed, so why even bother with this article Ken?

The guy's a joke!

Halladay is not going anywhere unless Ricciardi is blown out of the water, but that could be said for any player on any team.

Fuck off Rosenthal you friggin midget, go write another article about Adam Dunn and how he is the greatest baseball player on the planet.

paolo said...

and its only been one text to cito gaston.

Stoeten said...

Ricciardi is no Brian Burke, but he'd like to be. Every once in a while, he comes out of his hole with some ridiculous comment to get his name in the press.

Whether or not the jays have any intention of trading Doc, but opening his mouth yet again, Ricciardi has created a huge distraction to his team and sent the wrong message at a critical point in the season.

THAT is the stroy, not whether or not Halladay should be dealt.


I'm sorry, but this is genuinely retarded.

Stoeten said...

Rosenthal is the white midget Stephen A. Smith of baseball.

paolo said...

i hope people like "woozlewazzle", why being such a dick, are also going back and forth clicking "vote now" for adam lind infinite times.

Stoeten said...

Paolo, I would definitely be careful with what you say here. There are a lot of people lurking in these comments but not posting anything. Who knows who is out there, but if someone at Rogers really cared to figure it out, they might be able to piece together who you are from some of the clues you've given.

Anonymous said...

ok well then, i am done making comments under my name enjoy the anonymous now.

Anonymous said...

Paolo, I hope you're a troll. Otherwise you've pretty much pissed any career away where you have to be trusted with information. What you say you're doing will not only get you shitcanned it will black ball you. You abused client privacy, then you came here and bragged about it. You're damaging the whole companies rep.

What the fuck are you thinking, dumbshit?

Bluejays101 said...

Paolo is cool, i thought this blog was all about being a jays fan, not pissing on those who try to make an impact on the jays in a positive manner.

If cito had anything wrong with it, he would have had him fired by now.

Anonymous said...

Please, Stoeten what's retarded about it?

Are you denying Ricciardi's over-inflated ego and proclivity for making ill-timed and regretful statements?

Has he not created a huge distraction? How many times do you think the Jays and Halladay are going to be asked about this now? Do you think Doc is happy with JP?

Or is the retarded part, that I have deflected attention away from your anti-Rosenthal rant and pointed out the real culprit in this mini shit-storm, your indefensible GM?

yeah, call me corky.

Jer said...

Just putting it out there... I've voted for lind (and kemp, cause I like kemp) 1176 times... keep up folks!! And fuck rosenthal

Anonymous said...

everyone needs to stop arguing and spend all their time from now until thursday at 4pm voting for lind

Anonymous said...

I can't believe this bunk from this worm called Rosenthal. I live in the USA and these Amerikan wriers have no idea of the situation in TC.The Jays would be committing suicide bigtime! What would happen to the attendance? From 22,000 to below 15,000 per game? The right deal? If they can get rid of the Pop Up King or Prince alex AND get prime prospects! That ain't happening folks. I can't believe that rosenthal is showing u on MLB.TV as well. That other worm, Seth Everett on ESPN 1050 has talked about Halladay being traded almost every fucking day this year. He's another clueless one. Credit goes to Jon Heyman who has done a great job, saying it won't happen

A True Blue, Jays Fan

PS Please vote for Adam Lind megatimes already. I don't want that douche KInsler to show his ugly mug before Hill plays. He's a good player and won the popular vote and deserves to be there but not 'fore Hill plays. And Pedroia ,the Wolf Boy. Thanx to Red Cocks nation we are subjected to this shit again even though wolf Boy blows this year bigtime!

Stoeten said...

Are you denying Ricciardi's over-inflated ego and proclivity for making ill-timed and regretful statements?

No, but I'm not vastly overstating it like you are, and I think it's absurd to say-- read the comment-- that JP's ego has anything to do with this, or that it's at all ill-timed.

Has he not created a huge distraction?

No. He answered a simple question honestly and it was blown beyond out of proportion.

How many times do you think the Jays and Halladay are going to be asked about this now? Do you think Doc is happy with JP?

This has come up all season, all off-season, and all last year, too. That's what I keep saying: it's not a story.

Or is the retarded part, that I have deflected attention away from your anti-Rosenthal rant and pointed out the real culprit in this mini shit-storm, your indefensible GM?

No, it's that you actually think JP had anything to do with this non-story becoming a story, that you think it's suddenly a distraction, that you said he "came out" with this comment just to get his name in the press, and that you pointed to Brian Burke, of all, people as someone who should be looked up to in properly dealing with the media and not causing a distraction.

Stoeten said...

Paolo has asked that I remove some of his comments because he's concerned he maybe said too much about some of his activities. I'm going to comply.

Brendan said...

My opinion is echoed by the likes of BFF and Stoeten, so I won't waste too much space on it, but I have to say that the pic of Rosenthal looking shifty is pure gold.

Stoeten said...

Stackhouse is comin to T.O. as well

This is a contract swap. Stackhouse will never play here, and thank fuck for that.

Now go back to convincing yourself Gustavsson is some kind of saviour and that, if he's any good, he won't just get the Leafers back to their typical 9th place finish, and another shit draft pick and then more of the same.

Voodoo Matt said...

No deal for Halladay unless it's an opposing GM gets committed to a psychiatric hospital type of deal like this:
To Seattle: Halladay, Wells
To Toronto: Bedard, Hernandez, Ichiro and 2 top prospects.

Or the deal JB listed above. No sane GM pulls this kind of move.

colinrabyniuk said...

"The Jays don't owe it to Halladay to move him to a contender. And now you act like they aren't remotely close to being a winner. Forty games ago what did you think?"
40 games ago I thought if they keep playing like this, they'll make playoffs (just like everyone else). But with the history of the last two seasons, coupled with their current play, it seems like the first quarter success was just an aberration. I might be mistaken but didn't one of guys say something along the lines of "why is 2010 going to be any better than this year?" in the newest podcast?
If its just going to be more of same (which it probably will be), then the Jays should move Halladay, for his sake, and theirs.

Stoeten said...

His sake means nothing. And I was the one who said it's wrong to think that 2010 will just be more of the same-- healthy Marcum, maybe McGowan, eventually Litsch, and don't forget Downs and then Janssen. Plus another year of development-- obviously needed-- for Cecil, Mills, Purcey, Snider, etc. etc. We can agree to disagree, but I think that makes them a lot better than they have been over the last 40 games.

James said...

I don't see why the Jays would do this now. The plan was supposed to be to rebuild in 09 and go for it in 2010. Even with the shitty last month, the Jays are still doing a lot better than expected...

soo in light of the better than expected 09...discard that 2010 idea and go for 2014?

Wouldn't it make sense to keep Roy at least until the summer of 2010 to see if they have a chance at contention next year?

Ice Cream Jonsey said...

Hahaha, Rosenthal wrote an article of pure speculation after holding a flashlight up to his face in a dark room about ~=-BLOGGERS!!!-=~ What a joke. He's garbage.

Let's see, no point in trading Roy for starting pitching, seeing how there were about 8 cost-controlled guys who've started that were fine when healthy. No point in trading for an outfielder/DH since we're married to the four we have for the next five years, through good and bad. Maybe we can get 30 relief pitchers for him and find a few who can stick.

Or, Rogers could stop BEING PATHETIC, MEWLING BABIES and pay the best pitcher in baseball what he's worth. How's that for a thing? Christ, ownership makes me sick every day, literally every day I get up and their (in)actions make me want to vomit.

James said...

This is clearly kind of a non story...but Riccardi's subtle change in language does worry me.

Anonymous said...

If i'm going to be stuck in this garbage dump of a city till the end of 2010, roy halladay might as well be stuck with me.

paolo said...

The Rogers group of companies will put the money forth guarenteed when Roy wants to negotiate a contract. Roy is taking a wait and see attitude until the end of the season.

bitey said...

Kenny also wrote an article the other day saying how Juan Pierre should be on the All-Star team. The Juan Pierre that did 'great' filling in for Manny (unless you actually look at the numbers, with an OPS hovering around .600 for June with a whopping total of 5 extra base hits [all doubles]), so yeah, he's full of shit.

woozlewazzle said...

"Christ, ownership makes me sick every day, literally every day I get up and their (in)actions make me want to vomit."

Don't worry! In 10 years, Paolo will be running the show!

Anonymous said...

Stoeten, why remove Paolo's idiotic comments? The little shit should lose his job for stunts like that. Don't be such a mommy to him.

Anonymous said...

JP's GOING TO CATCH YOU, AND GIVE YOU A SPANKING !


HAHAHAHA

Stoeten said...

Stoeten, why remove Paolo's idiotic comments? The little shit should lose his job for stunts like that. Don't be such a mommy to him.

He asked me to.

Anonymous said...

Whether Paolo works for Rogers or not, Cito does, and he has a text msg from him....I think they can find out who he is.

SP said...

JP is the best GM in Toronto and one of the best in baseball. Fuck all of you. All the whining about him "lying" and making ill-timed statements (even if it's true sometimes) is just people grasping for something/someone to blame instead of blaming the real culprits. Naturally the GM will get the blame for lack of playoff appearances but it just gets lame when it's stuff like PR mistakes or arrogance and not actual personnel decisions. Personally, I think all the lying and horseshit is more badass than anything.

Anonymous said...

the less jp says, the more i like him.

Anonymous said...

As someone else mentioned, he didn't trade AJ last year. JP just isn't a trade deadline kind of guy unless he gets an offer he can't resist.

RosenRosen is just doing his pint sized Perez Hilton thing here

paolo said...

Well glory be the haters never stop, thanks again stoeten, see you at the all star bash. Those whom hate on me should come too, so i can beat them up :)

Anonymous said...

This all-star bash got a little more exciting.

Matt said...

Good post sir... I didn't know about this Rosenthal piece until now, but it sounds like he really latched onto thin air.

Is it possible Doc could be traded? Yes, but only in the sense that anything is possible. That's it.

It is a fine public service to call out stupid pieces like this.

Ari said...

"Brad Fullmer Fan said...

I still don't think any prospects package will get you the value that re-signing Roy Halladay would."

Tommy Hanson + Jason Heyward. I'd even include a low-level prospect of our own to pick up those 2 guys.

malcolm said...

"Those whom hate on me should come too, so i can beat them up :)"

Don't fuck up one of my fave drinking holes.

paolo said...

haha we will take it outside ;)

Dan Grant said...

This is such a giant non-story. It's kind of mind boggling. I am not a Riccardi hater or lover... I'm sort of lukewarm on the guy. I just don't understand why he'd even comment on something like this at all. He knows how much Halladay talk stirs up the pot. Maybe he just wants to see what the market is for him, hoping it will be sufficiently shitty so that he can put the deal Halladay ideas to bed for this year anyways.

However, he is completely correct. In pro sports, as a GM, if you don't listen to every single offer, you're not doing your job. You just have to. That's why this isnt even fucking news.

Stoeten... you were correct. the guy who mentioned that Red Sox deal should be medicated and kept away from things with edges. We wouldnt even be able to get two of those four. Boston wont trade prospects within the division, and are reluctant to deal them at all, especially after losing Hanley... although that was still the right move, given what Beckett has done for them. but butt fuck it anyways, I'll be going Masshole burning if Leroy ever wears a Red Sox jersey.

and Paolo, you are a weird fella. Stop threatening people and winking at the same time. It's freaking everyone out.

Christopher said...

I don't think anyone can write this off trading Halladay as nonsene. Look at what Buster Olney has said: "Toronto Blue Jays General Manager J.P. Ricciardi has spoken with Roy Halladay and prepared him for the possibility that he will bring trade possibilities to the pitcher in the weeks or months ahead. "He's open to at least listening," said Ricciardi. "He's not going to be a guy who will let you do all the work [preparing for a possible trade], and then he's not willing to listen. If it makes sense, he will listen. We're not inclined to move him, but we're going to see what's out there."

Sounds like a definite possibility.

Anonymous said...

Paolo's gonna get a talking to from that fucking annoying people on the Rogers commercials. Better than the meerkat gnawing his leg off from the competition however.

Christopher said...

I don't think anyone can write off trading Halladay as nonsense.

Look at what Buster Olney has said:

"Toronto Blue Jays General Manager J.P. Ricciardi has spoken with Roy Halladay and prepared him for the possibility that he will bring trade possibilities to the pitcher in the weeks or months ahead. "He's open to at least listening," said Ricciardi. "He's not going to be a guy who will let you do all the work [preparing for a possible trade], and then he's not willing to listen. If it makes sense, he will listen. We're not inclined to move him, but we're going to see what's out there."

Sounds like a definite possibility to me.

Anonymous said...

Knudsen gets the last laugh.

Anonymous said...

If the Blue Jays trade Halladay--and I don't care if they get Braun, Lincecum, AND Hanley in return--I will never attend another Blue Jays game.

Dan Grant said...

well then you are a fucking gomer.

Anonymous said...

If they get Braun, Lincecum and Hanley (Ramirez, I presume), I'll move to Toronto and buy a luxury suite.

fishin' musician said...

At the beginning of the day, it didn't look like much of a story. But the fact that JP has repeated his comments to some of the more respected writers like Blair and Olney, makes me think that he sought out the little foxshrimp to plant the seed. I remain open to the possibility that he's looking for the bait and switch, but to me it looks like JP is up to something....the little nipper.

The Ack said...

I really, really didn't need to read that Buster Olney article just now.

If it's such a non-story - as I want and presumed it to be - then why do I feel like I just got kicked square in the junk?

Anonymous said...

i am a yankee fan..would you guys do a joba plus prospects for doc?

Dan Grant said...

would you bathe my balls in ginger ale?

Anonymous said...

if doc is in pinstripes yes

Dan Grant said...

that won't happen. that can't happen and that won't happen. Ricciardi isn't a sadist.

but if it were to happen, you'd have to offer a lot more than that. as a start Joba is no better than a 3, at his very best. and you guys really have no enticing prospects left anymore.

Matt said...

I don't see him going to the Yankees under any circumstance besides Free Agency on the basis of how bad that would look.

Anonymous said...

hey stoeten, hope you've started the introduction for that colorado writer that you said you'd write if halladay got traded this year. haha one day you'll realize that mike wilner isn't the god of baseball and everything he says shouldn't be repeated as gospel, fucking idiot

Anonymous said...

yeah i dont think he will trade him within the division...but AJ and him talk regularly and he has a full no trade

Anonymous said...

I say what a shame if this is true. Retardi is so hated by so many people already,trading away Halladay will seasl his status as the worst GM in Toronto history. Do the Rogers want to kill this franchise? who the fuck will go to the games? Docktor Hallday is the Greatest Jay ever. I can't believe these piece of shit Rogers will even think of letting him go. Very sad,if this is all true. They can't afford him BUT could afford Rios and Wells, those two lazy underachievers???Digusting. To compete in the next three years, they need someone like Dok, what the hell are they doing? To the people that say that halladay deserves to be traded to compete, I understand your point. what fucking team especially owners that have deep pockets would even think of trading this guy? Sheer insanity, I say. I always knew that the 2010 stuff was horseshit.If Dok is gone, expect the Skydome to look empty like Olympic Stadium looked like right before the Expos moved!

A True,Blue Jays Fan

PS John Paul Retardi, go wawy already! Screw your 5 year plan and your lies. If you trade away Dok you will forever demonized in this town as the man who destroyed this franchise once and for all. PLease don't give me Wilner numbers about the revenues, the fans willnot give a shit when Dok is gone. This team can't survive another rebuilding!IT's shameful that Dok will be gone...BECAUSE he is his franchise...you trade him and it's just losers like Rios and Wells for Chrissakes!

Brad Fullmer Fan said...

"Tommy Hanson + Jason Heyward. I'd even include a low-level prospect of our own to pick up those 2 guys."

Sure, but would Atlanta ever offer something crazy like that?

Weezy said...

I refuse to believe this horse shit. I'm sticking to bait and switch.

Stoeten said...

hey stoeten, hope you've started the introduction for that colorado writer that you said you'd write if halladay got traded this year. haha one day you'll realize that mike wilner isn't the god of baseball and everything he says shouldn't be repeated as gospel, fucking idiot

Why don't you actually wait until something, you know, happens, before you start running your shit mouth, fuckface. You know? Just a thought, huh? I mean, you're not so possibly fucking stupid as to believe that all this means he ABSOLUTELY will be traded, so really, you're just humiliating yourself with nonsense like this-- or, at least, you would be if you weren't such a pussy that you couldn't even put a name on your words.

Anonymous said...

Doc is the heart and soul of this club, he's gone you'll see the franchise become a memory. Very sad shit about Roy, hope he stays but leave it to the GM ,Beeston and ownership to screw everything up.

Anonymous said...

LOL excuse me, I'm pretty sure you keep making a huge deal everytime ANYONE says anything about Halladay being traded, and making arrogant-as-fuck deals with writers from colorado. which by the way, you were "such a pussy" that you couldn't even contact him, you had to write it on your fucking website. what the fuck do you care if i write my name on this? do you really want it? you want my name and address? what the fuck are you going to do, bike to my house? grow up, who gives a shit if my name says "anonymous" or "john smith" or "jb", does that really matter to you? honestly?

Anonymous said...

maybe you should wait til the trade deadline passes before, you know, being a know-it-all douchebag? i donno, you know?

Stoeten said...

"Toronto Blue Jays General Manager J.P. Ricciardi has spoken with Roy Halladay and prepared him for the possibility that he will bring trade possibilities to the pitcher in the weeks or months ahead. "He's open to at least listening," said Ricciardi. "He's not going to be a guy who will let you do all the work [preparing for a possible trade], and then he's not willing to listen. If it makes sense, he will listen. We're not inclined to move him, but we're going to see what's out there."

Sounds like a definite possibility to me.


and

At the beginning of the day, it didn't look like much of a story. But the fact that JP has repeated his comments to some of the more respected writers like Blair and Olney, makes me think that he sought out the little foxshrimp to plant the seed. I remain open to the possibility that he's looking for the bait and switch, but to me it looks like JP is up to something....the little nipper.

Thing is, nothing is being said to these other reporters. They've prepared him for the possibility of possibly bringing something to him, but they're not inclined to move him? It just means that they're going to listen to offers, which they'd be stupid not to do. JP has always said-- on anybody-- that if the offer blows him away, he'd take it. Of course teams are going to be calling about Roy, and of course the Jays will listen. Does this mean that the Jays are looking to trade him-- going to trade him-- the way that Rosenthal concludes? Not at all. They might and they might not, and I don't see how JP admitting that today changes anything from what we would have thought yesterday. Personally, I still don't think they're going to do it-- it would be horribly unwise for too many reasons, especially if you're JP Ricciardi, who'd basically be signing his own pink slip if he threw the team back into rebuilding mode-- but nobody here has ever said that they absolutely won't, just that it's beyond fucking absurd, every time JP leaves a little hint of a possibility, to go nuts like it's definitely going to happen. It was absurd in the spring, and it's absurd now, regardless of whether it ever actually happens or not. The fact that JP will discuss the possibility means nothing-- even if it's discussing with Halladay-- he wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't. Until there's more to say that "JP didn't say it wouldn't happen" or that it's merely possible they'll have to bring a trade scenario to him, this whole issue is being blown wildly out of proportion-- especially by fuckwits like the previous fucking moron I responded to.

Stoeten said...

LOL excuse me, I'm pretty sure you keep making a huge deal everytime ANYONE says anything about Halladay being traded, and making arrogant-as-fuck deals with writers from colorado. which by the way, you were "such a pussy" that you couldn't even contact him, you had to write it on your fucking website. what the fuck do you care if i write my name on this? do you really want it? you want my name and address? what the fuck are you going to do, bike to my house? grow up, who gives a shit if my name says "anonymous" or "john smith" or "jb", does that really matter to you? honestly?

I don't need your real name, just something other than anonymous so that I have a reference point that I can see, over time, to help clarify whether you're actually making comments worth responding to like a human being, or if you're as worthless a troll as you came off in the first comment.

Read my comment in between the two to you for why I've been getting pissed off every time the Halladay trade bullshit comes up-- it's not because I've ever thought it was impossible that he might get traded, simply that it's fucking nonsense to go nuts about, kind of exactly like this.You'll have to talk to Parkes about the Knudson stuff.

nonchalance said...

not a rios hater or anything but clearly unloading his salary at a bit of a loss in return is the thing to do. sketch defense with lind and snider, but what the fuck, it's worth putting yourself in a better position to resign halladay. even if you're forced to trade him at this time next year, you've still freed up major money in moving rios and have a clusterfuck of talent in return for halladay. pls move rios and his lax baseball disposition.

Matty L. Rock said...

Fuck sportsnet for putting Rosenthal onto the air to talk about this. I think I saw his eyes start to cry a little when Doc's no-trade clause got mentioned, like he knew his story was shit.

"Teams will call, this has legs"

Stoeten said...

nobody here has ever said that they absolutely won't [trade Halladay]

Correction: Parkes did say that they won't trade him this year. Though he said it as part of a wager.

Professor G said...

I like this blog. Stoeten's perspective on this issue is so much more convincing and reasonable than Rosenthal's speculation. Sure, Rosey's essay makes for some very nice masturbation material, as wild fantasizing always does (whether the object is your rotisserie baseball team or the big-titted girl you spotted on your way to lunch). But it ends there.

Anonymous said...

Still a non-story Stoeten? Come on. Admit it. You owe Rosenthal an apology. I agree with you on one point: there are way too many idiots making stupid comments on here.

What's now clear is the Jays believe they won't have the cash/budget to sign Doc so Beeston has given Ricciardi the OK to see what's out there.

What once was never a possibility, or even acknowledged is now a very real possibility.

That my friends is a HUGE story, at least with this ball club.

Rosenthal is one of the most respected and best baseball reporters on the continent and the only reason anyone on this blog rips him is because he attacked a blogger.

Revenge of the Nerds.

James said...

You know what I don't understand? Why has Riccardi does this mini media tour today to let everyone know that 'he's not shopping Halladay, but will listen to offers'.

Why announce this today? Is this just Riccardi being a bigmouth or is there a reason behind it? His method really leads people to jump to conclusions.

Stoeten said...

Still a non-story Stoeten? Come on. Admit it. You owe Rosenthal an apology. I agree with you on one point: there are way too many idiots making stupid comments on here.

Sorry, but I still think it's absolutely a non-story, and Rosenthal isn't getting an apology from this corner anytime soon-- he can go blow the power of the written word as far as I'm concerned.

Anyway, it's just like it has been every other time a media outlet has written this same story, and temporary Halladay-trade-scenario-speculation-insanity set in. These guys know-- and I guess we're living proof-- that a piece like this works at getting people talking. I'll give him that, but it's Stephen A. Smith bullshit that he's pulling, and not worth nearly the amount of time I've given it, let alone anyone who actually takes it seriously.

What's now clear is the Jays believe they won't have the cash/budget to sign Doc so Beeston has given Ricciardi the OK to see what's out there.

No, that's not at all clear. You are entirely assuming that.

What once was never a possibility, or even acknowledged is now a very real possibility.

No. It was always and remains a possibility. I believe a remote one, and Kenny Ken Ken, because its sexier, would have you believe it's WAY less remote. Maybe he's right and maybe I am, but I just don't see where he's offered anything that says JP's attitude is any different now than what it was before, or what we've believed it was all along-- if he's blown away by an offer, he'll have to look at it very seriously. Halladay is at his absolute peak value, because a team getting him will get two playoff stretches out of him, rather than just one if this was happening in the off-season, or mid-season next year, so obviously JP isn't going to just let this period sail by, but nothing that's "come out" today is any different than what anyone should have expected-- it just seems like it is because now everybody is talking about it.

That my friends is a HUGE story, at least with this ball club.

If there were actually any evidence that Beeston had indicated that there's no way they'll have the money to re-sign Halladay, sure it would be. But there is no evidence of that-- and it's way too early to assume that would be the case. Where are you getting that they're writing off right now the possibility of freeing up sufficient cash by offloading one or two of Wells, Rios, Rolen and Overbay before the end of next season? Absolutely nothing of the sort has happened.

Rosenthal is one of the most respected and best baseball reporters on the continent and the only reason anyone on this blog rips him is because he attacked a blogger.

Revenge of the Nerds.


Way to blow any possibility that you might not be a clueless fuck. Seriously? Kenny Ken Ken is a rumour-monger. He's not respected. He's a clown for ripping a blogger, and that's part of why I didn't give two shits about ripping him so hard, but fuck you for suggesting that I'm not also precisely fucking right. At least come with more than that half-assed bullshit that I just tore apart if you're going to try that, champ.

Dan Grant said...

Anonymous,

whether it's a game or not is really irrelevant. He (he being Stoeten) is not upset about anything to do with the GAME, he's upset about your lack of class and your lack of pointing out anything valid at all, you fucking goof. You're a giant a fucking waste of time. and if you argue like this when it's just a GAME, you're clearly going to be useless when discussing anything of merit.

Besides, I don't believe he's swearing in rage, but more to devalue your dickless meandering arguments. Because this is me in a normal speaking voice. Swearing at your taint licking face.

Dan Grant said...

It has nothing to do with what you have said, it's with the way you have said it, you fucking twat.

Instead of defending your arguments, you're just telling him to calm down. Thats not valid in any discussion.

and if you think that everything ESPN.com runs is bound to happen, then you've got wool over your eyes.

If you scroll back and had been following, I definitely acknowledged that Halladay might be traded, as did Stoeten.

I just personally feel that this story, at this time, from this source, is NOTHING NEW. Ricciardi has always maintained that he would listen to offers for anyone/everyone. So why is everyone getting so fucking wound up about it?


also, my name is Dan. fuck you.

Dan Grant said...

canadian idol.

again, it is nothing to do with the merit of the rumour. it is that this is not NEW. obviously people are going to want Halladay, he's the best in the bigs. but this isnt, or at least shouldnt be, NEWS.

do you see what the root of the words news is? NEW! this isnt new! jesus.

Dan Grant said...

I guess I just cant understand why a genius such as yourself, who clearly detests the content and the hosts of this place, would waste his time on such a site? clearly it's below you!

and Halladay has certainly been on the block before, you just have a short memory. This is discussed every single fucking year.

Anonymous said...

Dan, I think the point attempted by other Anon messages might have to do with Stoeten's launching into what looks like a verbal tirade in text with several folks he disagrees with here. He makes valid points a lot of the time, but the message gets diluted with the inevitable "f*ck you's" that the message is delivered with. I'm all for reading various opinions, but does it have to turn into "suck my dick" every time someone disagrees?

Dan Grant said...

fair enough. however, I would say, it is his site (at least partially) and it's not called roses and queen anne's lace.

it's drunk jays fans.

Stoeten said...

Hey trolls, looks like you wasted your time, eh?

Stoeten said...

Also troll(s), I love how well versed you are in pretty much all the work I do. For someone-- oh, excuse me, should that be plural?-- who dislikes it so much, you sure do pay pretty close attention, don't you?

Stoeten said...

Hey! More for the trolls!

That's why ESPN.com has it as the No. 2 on their web site. After all, they know nothing about what makes a big sports story, right?

Oh, yes, dipshit, there's no difference between being a big story and being a story of any substance, right? Yeah, better trust the headlines on the network that religiously follows every move of Brett Favre to tell you which story has merit or not. Don't bother reading it or thinking about it, eh?

damian said...

So, a couple of possibilities not mentioned yet:

JP hates Rosenthal, and so fed him a fake story that was big enough so that he knew Ken would jump all over it. Cue end of season, Halladay not traded, JP can make him look like a bigger idiothole than he already does.

Not likely, I'd admit, but it would amuse me, even if it is potential fucking over one team just to gob the face of an inconsequential writer.

The other possibility is this: JP *does* trade Halladay, and other veterany types. Then come contract negociations, he says something like this - "Look, we're in the middle of a rebuilding phase - you know I can build a team, it would set us back another three years if you get someone else in, where do I sign? ta."

Of course, it may just be that Rosenthal is a bit of a tit who creams his pants every time someone says the word trade.

Stoeten said...

Sorry dipshit troll, you don't get that one either.

freightrain said...

As an occasional reader, this reminds me why I don't stop by more often. If its not a reference to getting an erection from watching men play baseball, it's this "I'm taking my ball and going home" bullshit. Grow up. You guys had a decent audience and some credibility but it has become completely unreadable, just absolute garbage.

Stoeten said...

Meh.

Anonymous said...

Anon 7:10--is Rosenthal himself replying, trust me.

Anonymous said...

Rosenthal doesn't --to use a Stoeten term-- troll blogs.

He's too busy getting paid a lot cash to do what Stoeten does for Chinese minimum wage.

Stoeten said...

Hahahaha. Could the jealousy be more palpable?

Anonymous said...

Trust me, Rosenthal gets sent the Drunk Jays updates. It's him.

Stoeten said...

Anon 5:05, too?

the canadian idol said...

my comment got deleted? what the fuck?

Stoeten said...

Sorry, I must have thought it was from one of the fucking idiots.

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