A Quick Word About The Most Frustrating Thing Ever
To add to what Parkes just wrote—though this exactly the kind of crying over a high school girlfriend-like bullshit he was trying to pre-emptively piss all over—if you’ll forgive me for attempting to speak for everybody here, and for being really obvious, what I keep coming back to as the most unbelievably frustrating thing for Jays fans about the prospect of a Roy Halladay trade is this:
We all know, at least in the back of our minds, though we don’t like to admit, that moving Doc now when his value is at his highest really is the most prudent thing for the franchise. What kills us—kills us—is that the most prudent thing last year would have been to move AJ Burnett. Instead, they hung onto him to save face—to continue give the appearance that they believed they could make a playoff run, and that they could re-sign him in the off-season—and because they assumed they’d get the signing team’s first round pick, plus a sandwich pick, and not the cocksucking third-rounder they ended up with when the Yankees signed him, thanks to baseball’s fucked up compensation system. What kills us is that the most prudent thing to do between ‘06 and ‘07 was to take the goddamn hit on season ticket sales, and get whatever assets possible in exchange for the year that was then left on Vernon Wells’ contract. Instead, as usual, to save face—in this case, what they termed the “face of the franchise”—they somehow got mother Rogers to cough up the money for one of the most disgusting, hamstringing, albatross contracts in the history of the sport.
And now this guy—this guy—is the one where they actually seem prepared to do the right thing for the franchise? Not those pieces of shit—this guy? Roy fucking Halladay? A legit, home-grown, Hall of fucking Fame calibre talent? Now you have to be forward-thinking and not piss away assets that are destined to leave anyway? Now you have to do what’s right and damn the consequences from fans?
Ugh. Fuck you.
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Matt Fucking Bush got busted again. Cries.
Video out there somewhere
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well said. If we just couldnt afford him and let him go or something.. like... you know, I'd hate it but I'd accept it. It's the brutal mismanagement of the money that they were given, combined with the poor talent assessment, combined with combined with combined with that just makes up the fucking shitstorm that is this team currently.
We need an eccentric, autonomous billionaire to buy the team. Things would be much more entertaining and probably make about the same amount of sense.
Fuck bush it's all about koch
http://www.sunnewspapers.net/articles/lspnews.aspx?ArticleID=3514&sppg=0&writer=POBLE
Jim Balsillie?
The Balsillie Dome
Were they really so naive to think they could sign Doc to a THIRD cheap contract? It was a collective "we'll keep making stupid, middling decisions because of course Doc will re-sign, he loves us!" We're lucky he signed the 2nd time, it's not happening again, which is basically what JP said with his "resources" quote.
Roy pretty mutch said it last night
I know, you have to trade him.
These sentiments were echoed long ago.
JP < Wells
Yeas, if only Jim Balsillie were a baseball fan.
Someone needs to do a post unequivocally stating that the Jays aren't going anywhere. Fuck all this bullshit commenting.
@ SP, they had BJ's 11 million coming off next year, Roeln's 11 and overbay's 7, they could have paid Doc 23 mill a year out of that and move Lind to first and sign someone or bring up a kid to play third. They could have done it BUT I think the cheap Rogers Billionaires looked at Tampa and said, why can't we do that at that price?
@ Dan Grant, we had an eccentric billionaire owner already....his name was Uncle Ted!Then again can anyone say Mark Cuban?Yeah, he's a dick/douche/scumbag but boy would he spend money. The Rogers are going to destroy this franchise with this move, mark my words.
Meh, I don't mind it-- it at least gives us an idea of who's using their head.
More bad news guys:
David Delucci just said that he's now open to the idea of exploring the option of being traded
I agree with this post 100%.
It's like JFJ was handling the contracts.
The site has to go emo to quell the envious bitch commentors
haha
Like I said in a previous comments section, JP is at fault for Vernon's contract. Who in their right mind would pay Wells around $6 million for the first couple seasons and end his contract with 4 $20+ million seasons. Had JP used more than one fucking brain cell to structure this contract, he should have realized that Well's massive pay years will fall when Halladay's contract is up.
Had he done that, there may have been enough money, without dumping salary, to pay Doc what he deserves
All signs point to the Wells deal being a Godfrey thing. I don't know that, but there are enough rumours to make you at least consider that.
If Dellucci goes, I go. Fuck this team.
(heyo)
In the package for Halladay, you're going to get at least one young superstar potential player who has had some major league experience and is controllable for at least another 4-5 years. Like Cueto, Chamberlain, etc etc.
Then you're going to get a blue chip prospect. A Snider even. Then another solid B+ prospect at least.
I mean, if someone is giving up one of these packages, you have got to take it. You may be able to get a Halladay plus 2 other puzzle pieces in doing so.
Finding the money to sign Halladay is part of the equation. Then you have to find double of that money to bring in players Halladay likes so he decides to stay. That's a big contribution of money from Rogers, and I can't see them doing it.
Which is weird because Rogers' payroll has fluctuated. You had 2006 where they decided to go nuts and crazy. Then they went further, signing Thomas and resigning Wells. And then they took 2 steps back and reduced payroll while signing no one. Well which is it? Why are they going 80% of the way and then just giving up? Is it that they don't trust management to build a winner and make a return on their investment? If so, why is management still running the show then?
I get that this is a scheme to hawk their merch, but I don't get that they at some point pumped money into the team and took it all back.
@ Anon: Autonomous was the key word there. As in, not the face of a massive publicly traded corporation. Just an oldschool Scrooge McDuck type who is out of his damn mind.
I can see the Wells thing being a Godfrey thing, due to all the heat they took over Del leaving. Fuck. If you had to give 127 million bucks, in order, to Doc, Del and Vernon, who would be your distant third choice?
Either way, the contract itself isn't that terrible had he been making 12ish million a season to start. His contract averages out $18 million a season, still well overpriced for a player of his caliber. Even if it was a Godfrey thing, it doesn't have to take a "baseball guy" to realize potential complications with such a structured contract.
I'll use Glen Sather as an example (GM of the New York Rangers). When he signed Drury and Gomez to their giant contracts, they were heavily front-loaded, paying them $10 million their first season. I assume that was to pay for a "win-now" attitude, meanwhile in their final years, they would be making (correct me if I'm wrong) less than $2 million, in which they will have a ton of cap relief and still get the production from 2 good players.
Basically I'm throwing out the question that what if Wells' contract was front-loaded rather than backloaded? How much different would this team be right now?
Basically in essence, had they actually thought this contract structure out, we may not even be discussing trading Halladay at all, but rather trading away prospects/young guns such as Cecil and Mills for playoff push players
for sure, what you're saying makes sense. but under the NHL cap, the cap hit is uniform across the board, regardless of how much money is actually paid to the player.
but in Vernons case it would have made a huge difference.
Btw I made a superficial trade proposal to get rid of Rios. It does make some sense but I have no idea what Oakland would want in return. Take a look and leave comments
http://www.jmcabinet.com/2009/07/some-non-halladay-trade-talk.html
I like that move. I've been saying for awhile now that what Vernon needs is a bat behind him. I don't think it would take a whole lot more than Rios straight up. Toss in a Bobby Ray or a Brad Mills or even a couple guys lower down the ladder and make that shit happen.
Payroll isn't the issue, you could spend all the fucking money in the world and it wouldn't make any difference, Doc wants to retire with something pennant shaped on his wall and quite frankly I don't blame him, he isn't getting any younger. Even a major rebuilding with massive investment would take a few years, and the man has already had his patience severely tested.
DOC IS GONE!
@ Dan Grant That's why I mentioned Cuban, who is a nutball but boy would he spend money. Instead, we have these penny pinching people at Rogers cry poverty every yera! Boring....
Dan , vernon doesn't need another bat, he needs an enema! He needs a plane ticket outta here. Pay half of his salary to get him out,he's declining year after year. And despite, Stoeten's incorrect assumptions, last year yar that he is opting out, he's here to stay! Trade him if he ever catches fire because he's gonna be ice cold for the rest of his career.
For Rios, fleece the Mets. Mets fans seem to like this douche. What they don't know is that his baseball IQ is lower than that of Jose' Reyes. They need an outfielder and maybe the next GM can get something for him.Dan Grant, I wouldn't throw in a damned thing in a Rios trade. We are giving a gift to the other team in my opinion, so that's all they deserve. We should rape them, not the other way around,kid.
Next but not least, does it bother anyone that JP is in charge of a future rebuild if it happens? Don't we want a new GM who is stronger,better,faster than him? I've had it with him quite frankly.
I don't see how Oakland would take on the $70M still owed to Rios, or whatever it is. They can get real close to that kind of production for a lot less-- which is exactly why nobody's biting on him and why Rios is still here.
And thats why Rios will always be here or wherever the team ends up.
Wanna Fuck?
Umm, Yaaaaaaa!
agreed there Stoeten. it was more wishful thinking on my part.. the move would be great but it isnt likely to happen.
Anon: as for 'raping' a trade partner, I dont think that's really going to happen with either of these two contracts... other GM's arent going to take them for no reason... and as for Rios being 'a gift to the other team' I dont know what kind of gifts you got growing up but I never had an underproducing, surly Puerto Rican outfielder under the tree when I was growing up.
as for Vernon needing another bat behind him, I really and truly believe that he would benefit from having someone behind him so that he could see more fastballs, because he can turn a fastball around. He just has no patience and swings at soft shit on the regular.
and yes, the Mark Cuban factor would be excellent, that's exactly the kind of owner I want, someone who actually gives a fuck.
And despite, Stoeten's incorrect assumptions, last year yar that he is opting out, he's here to stay!
You know, it's really fucking easy to actually read what people say before you bash it-- and as an added bonus, doing so helps you avoid saying things that make you look like such a fucking idiot.
hey Stoeten, what time does the shindig get underway tonight?
Game starts at 8, so that's when I'd aim to be there.
Stoeten, I do agree with that, but they always love to aquire young pitching prospects and end up grooming them nicely. That's why you throw in one or two with Rios to get it done. Sure they can get cheaper players with similar offensive talent, but how many of them can also make the 3rd base coach think twice about sending the runner home from 2nd on a single? And Rios is still relatively young which fits their team model. I don't think they would like to keep Ryan Sweeney or Rajai Davis as their CF if given the opportunity to acquire Rios
oh and Dan, yes I am also aboard the Cuban-esque GM style....partly cuz I'm a Mavs fan :)
(well more so due to the fact that Jason Kidd plays for them)
Wells' contract may have been Godfrey's idea but back ending it had to be J.P's idea. He knew he was probably gone after 2010 so why should he give a fuck the next GM is stuck with that contract.
And fuck, if J.P had sat Godfrey down and said, "this is a really bad idea" don't you think Godfrey would have listened? J.P had to at least somewhat support the idea of Wells' contract.
The Argos are going to need a bit more discipline to beat Calgary this Friday night, but with the Grey Cup champs off to an 0-2 start, this is a golden opportunity for the boatmen.
Oh also Stoeten, I am no long able to make the festivities tonight. I have my own baseball game to play (a rescheduled game for a rainout). But I will be sure to have better luck the next time a DJF shindig occurs
Shit, cancel the fucking party. Bubbles can't come.
Re: Wells, maybe JP thought that by the time the back-loaded years came into play, he'd have built a winning team, the fans would have returned, and money would be rolling in.
Powered by perennial Cy Young Award candidate Roy Halladay, most would look at the Jays and think “hey, they could be good this year.” Well, they can’t, and here’s why: they play in Canada. As we all know, Canadians are a cantankerous bunch, with their little beady eyes and their big flapping heads. They put mayo on their hamburgers!!! Who ruins a delicious hamburger like that?!? Canadians, that’s who. I am well aware that 0% of the Jays roster is actually from Canada…..but the Canadian way of life is a disease that permeates into the brains of even the staunchest of Americans. Examples of this Canadian infection are seen throughout the Jays lineup – when he was with St. Louis, once proud American Scott Rolen used to drive a big truck, eat apple pie, drink Budweiser, shoot defenseless animals, and participate in the democratic process. Rolen was seen last week attending parliamentary procedures whilst drinking a Labatt’s Blue and caring about hockey….unbelievable, I know. How does this affect the play of Canada’s baseball pride and joy? We all know baseball is AMERICA’s favorite pastime……so it’s obvious that un-American activities and thoughts would very much adversely affect ones ability to participate in said American pastime. How are you expected to hit a 90 MPH fastball when your head is full of curling stats, fond memories of Guy Lafleur, and last nights moose attack? You can’t be, and this is why the Jays will not be good and can never be good. Now of course, we all remember their 1993 World Series Championship, but it’s a well documented fact that many of the starters for that team actually were injected with an extra dose of “America” to counteract the Canadian contagion before every game. (Note: “America” is now on baseball’s banned substance list, which is why their success was a one time thing.) The current incarnation of the Jays is a talented bunch who are destined to be like every other Jays team and like all Canadians…..very cold, and somewhat French.
Best comment ever?
....the Jays organization has a history of making poor deals, leaving massive amounts of money on the table, handing out catastrophic amounts of money for mediocrity...etc etc....it will be no different with Doc, they'lfind a way to stiff themselves somehow in whatever transaction unfolds, i know it. Beej is a classic example...and that is their latest handling of a reasonably high profile player. A Marquee player just means the Jays front office will bumble it a couple of orders of magnitude worse.
Stoeten, if that's the case then he defintely has to take some blame for the current situation.
Until Next Time America.....
Wow..legendary comment. Ex Bluejay?? Boomer is that you.
Can you believe I'm married to this shitbag?
BTW, way to cockblock Parkes' post Stoeten; relegating him to 9 measly comments.
Of course he has to take some blame, but that doesn't still mean that it's not way more on Godfrey. Godfrey was his boss, don't forget.
I say J.P deserves at least as much blame as Godfrey. J.P probably signed him just to prove Keith Law wrong.
yep cancel the party. no bubbles = no ricky or julian = no drunk lahey to clean the bar of all things liquor = shit party. just cancel it now. NOW!!!
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What about RAND?
I'm not much for the fake anonymous commenters (fuck off, Arnold), but the Maury Povich/Connie Chung exchange was the tits.
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! 4:25 YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
Well, we may never know how it went down, but a lot of people think that Godfrey got Rogers to back the Brinks truck up in order to keep him, when JP didn't really want to. People around here have liked to say, "Well, JP should have stood up and said No," but like I say, Godfrey was his boss, and he created a situation where they could keep the player without impacting the payroll in the near term-- which would have been chief among Ricciardi's concerns about retaining him.
Yeah, makes sense when you look at it this way. Either way: what a fuckin' blunder of epic proportions.
I do enjoy imagining it was all to spite KLaw though. That would be a fucking trip.
Those American's hold a grudge too - they haven't let a Canadian team win the Stanley Cup since the Jays embarrassed the US by going Back 2 Back! Image what would have happened if the Expos won in 94?!?
Stop complaining, this team will be built around David Dellucci!
we'd be polishing our longhorn belt buckles right now and mixing tangaray and wine.
Stop Whining
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WL1lfSzgcAw
Everything would be ok if the Jays had just signed Dunn for 1-2 years during the offseason
HA HAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I WILL LIVE ON FOREVER! IF YOU THOUGHT THE BAMBINO CURSE WAS BAD, JUST WAIT TIL 2109! THE CUBS, MY CUBS, WILL WIN 13 TITLES IN THAT TIME!
MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
JP already burnt that bridge last season
Anon 444, it would have been ok had JP not bashed him last season.
I'd rather have Abreu though for 5 mil
Tony Clark era begins after the break
@ Douchebag AKA ASS AKA Stoeten you actually said that last year dickface. You were wrong as you are about many things. It's funny how bad your memory is then again, judging from your commments you were left back multiple times anyway. I like how you didn't deny it BECAUSE you actually said that. Only a fool would have thought that Wells would opt out. Really, on what planet Uranus? Terrible job, ASS!
@ Dan Grant. Dan I like In New york and the Mets fans want that Rios bigtime. You think they know he is lazy, has a low baseball IQ, etc so on? LIsten to NY talk radio on the internet and get educated on how much these stupid Mets fans love Rios.They look at his numbers and his potential and fall in love with him. They could fleece Omar in a trade, trust me. He makes JP look like Theo Epstein. To a team like the Mets they think they are getting an awesome player, when people in Toronto know he sucks.
Red Sox want rolen!!! mlb trade rumors
@ Bubbles, brilliant short post. Great job,kid.Abreu is worth 5 mill and the dude with the Clark comment is a genius,too.
@ Curse of reed Johnson, another good one. Good for him, he got to play for a contender like Doc will. Why let him languish on a team like this.
I just had heard that the Bossox want Rolen. JP really wants to have a 24 hour security watch unh? He better not trade anyone to the Red Sox ,Yankees or Rays that chump.I don't want to hear any of that makes the Jays better BS either. Fuck Boston. Let them rip off another team, let them suffer for all I care.
@ Douchebag AKA ASS AKA Stoeten you actually said that last year dickface. You were wrong as you are about many things. It's funny how bad your memory is then again, judging from your commments you were left back multiple times anyway. I like how you didn't deny it BECAUSE you actually said that. Only a fool would have thought that Wells would opt out. Really, on what planet Uranus? Terrible job, ASS!
Fucking idiot, my memory is fine. I said there was a chance he could opt out, if his performance heading into his opt-out year was good enough for someone to offer more guaranteed money than the $63M that would be left on his contract. And I pointed out that Torii Hunter, who is a very similar player, signed for $90M at an age when he was only one year younger than Wells will be when he can opt-out, which suggests that maybe it's not such an outlandish possibility as fucking retards like you would suggest.
That is VERY different than saying "he will opt out" you dumb piece of fuck.
We got James Paxton and Jake Marisnik for AJ Burnett. I've not heard speculation of a trade offer at last year's deadline that would have tempted me out of the picks.
Agreed 4:53 Fuck boston they got hinske for nothing (Not that he was worth mutch more) that should be the very last deal JP makes with them fucks.
addressed to the same anon fuckhead.
just because mets fans on new york talk radio want Rios, does not mean that we would be able to fleece Omar Minaya in a trade. Do I think he's the best GM in the world? no. Do I think he can count to 70 Million? it would take him a long fucking time but probably. also, who the fuck do the Mets have that we would want?
We got James Paxton and Jake Marisnik for AJ Burnett. I've not heard speculation of a trade offer at last year's deadline that would have tempted me out of the picks.
Really? How thoroughly have you scouted those guys?
I tried to convince dellucci to play my songs before the games for good luck, Don't think he listend though. It worked for the yankees
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c49klxPex-k
Why are you dipfucks spending a nice day discussing this dipfuck team? Get a fucking life. Do something constructive, like plant a bomb in Rogers' front office or the Jays clubhouse. Do something meaningful that will contribute to society and the quality of life shared by all.
why dont you do something meaningful, like gargling my balls
Oh and since the Mets just got an underachieving Francour, there is a less likelihood of Rios heading there.
Some good news to boot: Pedro trying out for Philly! http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/07/pedro-martinez-to-take-physical-for-phils.html
Less likely now that Doc will go there??
hahaha at Mr Grant's last post
Doc will still go to philly an we will get to see what we could've had earlier this year.
Fuckoff Ahnold??....ver did zis fuckoff Ahnold come from???....look, listen to me now & believe me later, I just finished shtrolling through ze shtreets of Toronto und it shtinks like gah-bitch, und ders piles und piles of shtinky gah-bitch everywhere. Btw ze Jays play like gah-btich also....i think zey vill get shvepted by ze Sox .
Arnold
Hey Mr.Governater Brother!! Want to go take a dump in the sky dome with me? After I buy it and make it my personal toilet I think I will call it the dump dome!
Hey Hulkster wanna FUCK?
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This media blitz is all just Brandy Halladay using the smoke and mirrors tactic to shift the power balance in the organization to eventually fulfill her scheme to become the GM
Dan Grant, you ain't no closet faggot, are ya, you fuckin disgrace to your family.
Sorry Jess, I'm fucking brooke tonight
oh you hulkamaniacs have no idea!!! Father Knows Best ;)
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You are a pussy hulk! You Fucking wimp
Ja Hulkster lets take a dump on ze dome...ve could vipe our ahses wis some VW churseys und den turn the dump dome into ze gah-bitch dome...after all i sink zat roof could be turned into ein gah-bitch crusher....zat vay all dem nice Torontonians would have a place to shtore zer shtinky gah-bitch. Ve could buy ze dome wis our shpare billions und turn it into Ahnold-Hulk Gah-btich Emporium. I mean, zer vont be really any use for za dome for Shports ven Herr Dok-tor gets ze fuck out off Dotch ja??
We don't need Bubbles to get drunk!
corey/tever, yeah you do.
Jesse Jane, I'm pretty frisky with the ladies...and I love my pussies :)
I, Arnold will make the Hulkster my new Girlfriend!
Stop Whining
I am the liquor, and the shitwinds are blowing.
In your wet dreams brother!!! In your wet dreeams
Fuck off, Lahey, you fuckin' idiot.
WHAT YA GONNA DO ARNOLD???
WHEN HULKAMANIA AND THE HULKAMANIACS
DESTROYS YOU!!!!!!
How is it that this team has gone from 5th place to World Series 2009 to Wild Card to rebuilding in three months?
And why is it that the comment quality mirrors the amount of anarchy associated with this team?
All I want is a vote of some sort (preferably confidence) from Paul Beeston. I need to allocate the rest of my travel and sports entertainment budget for the next two years.
Call me crazy.
What if Halladay is traded or ends up signing elsewhere, gets a taste of the playoffs, maybe wins a world series, then returns & retires with the Jays?
Or even if he retires with another team - maybe (if we're all fucking leprechaun-lucky), he'll return as a coach and become an important part of the organization for many many years.
Maybe Brandy & Roy really love Toronto as much as they say. From all indications, Roy respects JP's handling of the situation. He said that he actually feels that JP is looking out for both the team's and Roy's best interests. Roy would have to waive his no-trade, but you get the sense that JP is only going to listen about quality talent from a contending team; everyone's (sorta) happy.
Maybe I'm just getting emotional. Maybe I think his value as a coach will benefit the team for many more years than we will loose to a trade or free agency. Maybe I have no reason to believe he'll even WANT to coach, and I just don't want to loose him.
I agree with most all of what has been said about this... just wanted to vent a bit.
Thanks,
R
The TO Star's clip from the Halladay press conference depressed me. Bob-3-foot-Costas' glib comment especially. It was like watching an ex-girlfriend kid around with a bunch of guys while they all drop their pants to sleep with her.
Would trading Roy be the lowpoint of the last 20 years for this team? I guess it depends on what they get back and where they go from a deal.
I don't mean lowpoint like the team is in that bad a state, I just mean that trading Roy is such a soul crushing thing to do.
If they aren't going to add payroll to this roster (which is the 5th best in baseball despite their poor record), then yeah, trading everybody, including Roy Halladay would be the right thing to do. The Jays haven't shown me they are prepared to undergo a full rebuild, though.
I still think I'd rather wallow in mediocrity with Doc than without him.
Fucking brilliant post S. I'm seriously fucking moved.
If this is the beginning of a rebuild that propels them back to the top of the division, it doesn't have to be a low point.
There is no sign that this is the case, or that the Jays ownership/management is capable of such a rebuild, though.
Just reading through the comments... Who gives a fuck about Cueto. Pitchers like Doc, Santana, Oswalt are seriously fucking special. Maybe I'm being retarded - can someone tell me which team has a young pitcher to return in a deal for Doc who is nearly as awesome AND durable?
G.
Billingsley
Kershaw
That is all.
(Not that it's going to happen, but those are the kind of guys I'd want in return for Doc...)
I just watched the press conference mentioned above and I'm about to fucking cry, mostly because I'm a fan of this fucking piece of shit organization that can let an asset like this get away. It's easy to play up how great Toronto is and then bounce at the first oppurtunity or bitch and bitch until you get moved (see Burnett, Carter, McGrady).
Not only did Doc sign an undervalued extension to stay here but even with all these dipshit broadcasters mocking him for being in Toronto, he mentions how much he loves it, and how he grew up through the organization, multiple times. I have very little doubt that its pretty fucking genuine.
And all we had to do to keep a hall of famer and once in a lifetime player like this is give him a chance to legitimatly win. Instead we hung ourselves with a whole slew of underperforming assholes. FUCK US.
Its not Vernon's fault for taking a shitload of money, but it is his fault for completely shitting on the responsibilities that money represents and the closer they get to dealing Doc the more I hate that motherfucker.
http://www.thestar.com/sports
I guess I'd be OK with Jered Weaver as the centrepiece of a deal.
Probably not likely to happen either. But I did read one baseball writer somewhere suggest he could be the key if the Jays do a deal with the Angels.
G, you fuck head everyone knows the answer to that question is the Yankees. I say Halladay and Romero for Joba Chamberlin. Tell me who wouldn't do that trade? Yeah that's what I thought.
Actually, wow, looking at Weavers stats, I can't imagine the Angels would trade him for anything. If we were to get fair return though, he's the kind of talent we should be getting.
G, thing is, those young pitchers, while not as good or durable as Roy, have something HUGE that he doesn't: cheap contracts that don't expire after next year.
Its not Vernon's fault for taking a shitload of money, but it is his fault for completely shitting on the responsibilities
To quote my favourite midget: come on. Let's not be fucking ridiculous.
How so Stoeten? He has a job like any other. You're telling me that in the real world if your boss gives you a raise, that means that they there aren't increased expectations and responsibilities that come with it??
Vernon got one huge fucking raise and decided to play worse.
Not to mention this whole thing is a buzzkill because if he stayed through the end of next year, Halladay would most likely be all time wins leader for the Jays.
Speaking of Stoeten's boss...
http://house.wikia.com/wiki/Eric_Foreman#Foreman_becomes_House
I don't think you can blame Vernon, as shit as he's been.
As Stoeten said, blame the idiots at Rogers or Paul Godfrey or whoever for deciding to make Vern a Jay for life by giving him a ridiculous contract a few years ago, instead of doing that for Roy now.
Well, that's not exactly what he said, I'm just elaborating on his sentiment at the end of his post.
People are going to blame and hate Vernon for the next six years if Roy Halladay is gone. Unfair to him, but it's going to happen.
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lol, I love whoever made this
Stoeten, what was JP offered for Burnett at the deadline?
Not fighting to keep Hallday is so fucking defeatist. It admits that the Jays are not willing to compete and will not compete for quite some time.
To quote Buddy Revell "You know what Mitchell? You're the biggest pussy I've ever seen in my life. Didn't even try. How does that feel?"
Beachjay, how the hell does one "decide to play worse?"
OK, I was depressed by the Halladay clip, but am cheered up by the loserish Twitters. One user suggested Halladay for Joba and Cano. HAHA. Yes, the Jays are definitely in the market for a second basemen...!?!?! Douchetards!
http://twitter.com/#search?q=roy%20halladay
And then next year when roy blows his arm out BJ style, you asshole are bitching about his contract instead.
Stop Whining
Fullmer, neither one of us is in the locker room, so we have no idea how hard he is actually working to sort his issues out.
Overall, Foreman's personality is the closest to House's, although he is often loathe to admit the fact.
Foreman is a loner who considers himself a self-made man in many ways. He seems to have turned away from the religious beliefs of his parents at an early age, but inside still struggles with this.
At the end of Season 3 Foreman left Princeton Plainsboro so he would not turn into House, and as season 4 has passed his flight seems to have failed as he as evolved into a clone of House.
It is obvious that Foreman and House have no problem telling people the way it is; they do not sugar coat anything in any way, ever.
"...you haven't done anything stupid, spontaneous or even remotely interesting since you were seventeen.... And that's just sad." -- House to Foreman
Foreman: "Am I boring?"
Chase: "Yes"
Stoeten is loathe to admit he parrots Wilner's opinions.
Stoeten is a loner. He turned away from his religious beliefs unlike Wilner who is a Jew despite his fervent championing of "logic and reason"
At the end of Season 3 of this blog, Stoeten will leave to permanently work for the Score, but he will be drawn back out of his need to talk down to commenters, use profanity for no reason, and respond to hecklers because of his insecurity.
Stoeten will not hesitate to call your a retard for having an opinion he doesn't agree with, just like Wilner
Stoeten is not remotely interesting
Stoeten is boring
Exactly, BeachJay. So you how can you claim that Vernon Wells isn't trying?
Savage, how do you know Billingsley and Kershaw are going to be durable? Chamberlain doesn't look like he'd be a durable starter. Stoeten - isn't Weaver in his 4th season? Honest dumb fuck question - how much longer is he controllable anyway?
I have to agree with some of the people above. Does it make baseball sense to trade Halladay? Yeah, in a lot of ways it does. Is it going to be a soul crushing move to Blue Jay fans? Hell yes (at least me). I think that outweights the baseball 'sense'.
How often do you get a home grown hall of fame player like this that *wants* to be in Toronto? - and even signed a cheap contract to do it. For once, it's somebody who is actually talented enough to be worthy of letting sentimentality influence baseball decisions. Normally I'm 'meh' on a lot of players, and what they are worth, but Halladay is the first player where I honestly believed that this offseason they should have just offered him whatever the heck he wanted to stay. Thing was? He wouldn't have asked for even half the crazy ridiculous crazy shit we gave players like Glaus.
I could probably rant about any trade that involves Halladay, and I can also rant about any dumbass comments to the press that make him feel in any way like he's not *very* wanted in Toronto (and the problems I have with JP). It would probably become very profane though. Fuckers.
If Halladay goes I won't go as a fan, I've been for this team for too long...but I'll really really want to. And I'll probably cheer for whatever team he plays for equally.
Now however if they trade Delluci, well, that's just the end of baseball in Canada ;)
Stop Whining
Well said.
Now you know how it feels to cheer for the Leafs.
No, the Leafs suck. The Jays are just one or two pieces away from WS contention and ownership would rather blow it up and start over.
No, the Leafs suck. The Jays are just one or two pieces away from WS contention and ownership would rather blow it up and start over.
It's good to see that we've all still got our sense of humour despite the dark times.
Can I blame JP and not Vernon? Seriously, not to get Richard Griffin here but I don't exactly trust JP to make a good deal. He's obviously signed some good deals (Hill, Halladay's extension, Well's previous extension), but he's also signed some shitty ones (Well's and Rios' current contracts, BJ Ryan, Hinske, Frank Thomas, etc). I don't know if I want him making this deal. Also for someone who bitches about never having enough money he seems to waste a lot of it all. the. fucking. time.
Rios' isn't bad and Hinske's wasn't bad. Hinske was the ROY, any other GM would've give him that extension. And this Halladay thing won't be a signing, it'll be a trade, which JP always nails. Then again, it's pretty much impossible to win when you're trading someone like Roy Halladay.
Fuck off Stoten
Hinske's was bad. Why do people keep saying it wasn't bad? He was under control. If he'd performed at that level two years in a row, then it wouldn't have been so bad. Just cause he's ROY doesn't mean it's not bad. Ricciardi's possibly fatal flaw is that he rewards guys he has unnecessarily and excessively.
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