Shocker: The Beest Is Back
Paul Beeston has been named President and CEO of the Toronto Blue Jays and Rogers Centre, signing on for a three-year term.
“At the very end of the day we had a number of quality candidates,” Beeston said, according to a report from the Globe and Mail. “I think in the last month with Alex coming on and Alex coming to me and a few people on the staff coming to me and Rogers people continually coming to me I guess I’ve kind of become invigorated and hopefully can become part of the solution.”
“There were worthy candidates,” he said. “But at the end of the day one of the things they were looking for was somebody who had experience in baseball, and I was here. And at the very end of the day . . . it got my enthusiasm up over the last month or so.”
So... um... yeah, that's a surprise. ... NOT!!!! (See what I just did there? What? Too soon?)
“We are thrilled that we were able to convince Paul Beeston to take on this role,” said Rogers Media President and CEO, Tony Viner. “Paul’s background with the club, his credentials in the baseball world and his enthusiasm for this sport will be incredible assets.”
So I guess we can finally fucking get on with it. I think it became pretty clear over the last month, as Beeston has let Alex Anthopoulos start to put his stamp on the organization, and with all the talk of going back to the way the Blue Jays used to do things, that if Beeston wasn't going to accept the position himself, it was going to be someone very Beeston-like.
So... yeah. Not that this isn't a great thing, it's just... yeah. Great. Too bad you couldn't have decided this a year ago, Paul. But... whatever... we'll take what we can get. Now go bring back Gillick.
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More of your mother to come, lol
Well this means AA is going to stay 100%.
I wonder what this does for the payroll. Since under Beeston he made repeated claims about the cash they "could" spend, I'll be curious to watch this offseason unfold and see what really plays out.
Of course they could have the funds and just not spend it, but nevertheless...
First!
Oh and best news I've heard all day...
Haha, he pulled a Dick Cheney!
I am as excited as an extra inning loss to the Royals.
Moneypuck, according to Viner, when he was on Prime Time the other night, Beeston was the one who'd been rejecting money from Rogers. Apparently Nadir Mohamed said, during this season, when things weren't going well, something to the effect of, do you need more money?
Yeah, but JB, you're an idiot, so clearly you can see how this is probably a good thing.
As i wrote before Stoeten:
Hahaha you all need to relax, since when does full autonomy mean two different things for two different organizations.
MLSE gave full autonomy to Burke to do whatever he wants within reason. They wanted a hockey guy making smart hockey decisions to better the team. Same situation here, Rogers wants the baseball guys making the baseball decisions (A.A and Paul).
If they create a plan that increases the payroll Rogers will accept it, if they present a plan that decreases the payroll Rogers will accept it.
This hypocrisy that exists all of the sudden, that Rogers can do nothing right, and MLSE can do nothing wrong shouldn't exist. Especially considering the fact that Rogers is new at sports ownership, and none of MLSE's sports entities have won since 1967, with special considerations of course to the Raptors inaugural season in 1998.
So don't go bitching at Rogers for whatever decision is made, it is not on their head, its the decision of the baseball savvy. I don't understand why everyone here and in the media cannot take them for their word!
I will be shocked - and impressed - if this means anything but a free pass for Cito.
Did he even interview anyone? wtf
Also this probably means cito is back, god damnit wtf
I'm glad that this is over with. I'm happy the Beest is here. I heard AA on The Fan today, and I have no idea how he will be as GM, but I do enjoy hearing his enthusiasm. It seemed like he took a little shot at JP as well. He said something like 'there's no point whining about being in the Al East, this is our situation and we're going to figure out how to be competitive'.
In other Rogers news, apparently they fired Mike Toth today as well:
http://www.truthandrumours.net/
Meh, we should keep cito, until we get figgins locked up for 3ish years!!! He will take less years to play for Cito. We may be able to avoid the longer term deal, given that hes on the wrong side of 30.
Once we sign figgins, we release cito. That would be epic!
I think it's safe to say that Beeston won't live out his golden years consulting for an executive search firm.
Hey Jaysfanontheinside aka Paolo who works for Rogers, text Beeston like you texted Cito and get him to sign Figgins and then fire Cito..
You're really good at texting the players and coaches, I admire your work!
Fire Paolo!
Eat my cock anonymous douche bag. Stop spreading lies.
Paolo has reached Nazi boy, automatic skip his post status.
James, sadly the Toth thing appears to just be about Sportsnet, not the Fan.
Tercet, yes, he had Rick Welts of the Phoenix Suns all lined up, and then Welts had a last minute change of heart.
I have a little more faith that they understand they have to get rid of Cito than you guys, but it's definitely a concern. If he's back we'll do our best to ignite the Fire Cito... uh... fires.
So are we going to be some kind of old-school organization now with a puppet GM in AA?
I don't know what to think about that.
Yah and this blog has reached I don’t give a fuck status right now with what you said. Good riddance fat fuck, next time I see you at the game I will slap you in the back of the head (however I don’t know, you like highly unsanitary). And throw parkes's stupid hat in the trash where it belongs.
Well Stoten,
Beeston isn't a complete moron, and he understands that in order to bring more fans back to the RC Cito needs be the manager. It will allow all the bandwagoners/leaf fans/other random idiots a legit reason to come "since Cito won the WS back in 92/93 so he is obviously a great manager".
More fans, more revenue, more income, blah blah, its a business, $ first
But Beeston also has to realize, how much Cito fucked this team up last year, and how much he will fuck up this team again next season.
I and many other real Jays fans will still go to 15-20 games a year despite if Cito is manager or not.
Paolo, it's a bit ironic for you to be telling somebody to stop spreading lies when your one weak explanation for "calling Cito" was that you lied just to get attention.
Paolo, didn't you "leave" this blog a couple weeks ago?
Anyway...whatevs. Ever since AA was named "interim" GM, it was obvious that the new President was going to be either 1) Beeston himself or 2) some poor guy who instantly comes in undermined by not even being able to pick his own GM. Might as well have Beeston than a pushover. This was terrible handled by Beeston from the beginning. He spent/wasted a year of rebuilding by keeping JP on board. Spewing constant bullshit about the payroll, not following through on the draft...sigh. Whatever. At least we know now.
The little amount of faith I have left in Beeston tells me he'll do the right thing and fire Cito, but you never know.
I hope Cito is gone, Tercet...but I'm not getting my hopes up about that anymore. It's only one more year of him and his nonsense...and it's not like we have a shot next year, anyway.
Beeston will be on Prime Time Sports at 6:05 PM tonight.
Yah and this blog has reached I don’t give a fuck status right now with what you said. Good riddance fat fuck, next time I see you at the game I will slap you in the back of the head (however I don’t know, you like highly unsanitary). And throw parkes's stupid hat in the trash where it belongs.
You'll slap me in the back of the head? You mean instead of not introducing yourself and then coming on here and talking about watching us like a fucking creep show, the way you did last time?
Steve Phillips fired from ESPN, Jim Kelley let go from PTS and Mike Toth not re-signed (or fired) from Sportsnet?!?!? Now if only Ken Rosenthal can get canned from Fox Sports. It'll truly be a great week!
Kelley let go?
"You'll slap me in the back of the head? You mean instead of not introducing yourself and then coming on here and talking about watching us like a fucking creep show, the way you did last time?"
That's exactly why I said hello to you fuckers when I ran into you (well, Parkes, anyway) this summer at the 'dome. A slap to the skull might have been fun though, I guess.
Jim Kelley is off PTS?
You people who don't like this move are completely nuts, by the way.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/prime-time-roster-move/article1307888/
More on Kelley. Not off...officially.
It waqs reported that John Shannon has taken the official co-host position opposite Brunt. Whether this means Kelley is gone, will simply be on less, or was forgotten in the report (I can't find the link) isn't clear.
And there's the link, ninja'd above me. Like I said, not clear if Kelley's gone.
I must admit stoeten, your stench alone intimidated me, what can i say.
Well, we were told all year Rogers would spend whatever IF Beeston was the president so if we don't spend this winter and have to lose Doc, that is gonna be because of The Plan not because of ownership....right?
I saw you at a game with friends and didnt want to disrupt your watching of the game with an introduction. Now i am simply glad i didn't do so. I might keep my eye on you all next year and tell beer spotters to cut you off at the 2 your supposed to be stopped at! Since all the beer spotters, ushers, security personnel are all friends of mine!
See, thing is, they're not. Also, then why come on here talking about us and what we look like, like a fucking creep show? And then, after taking down the picture of yourself in your profile, you jump into the parade of retards that like to pretend I'm fat? Bravo, dude. I tried to be nice-- I deleted all those comments for you when you decided that you'd revealed way too much about yourself and the stupid bullshit you were doing at work, and yet you never learned your lesson, kept making useless comments, and now you've got your panties in a bunch because I said so? Really? I can only shake my head, man...
You people who don't like this move are completely nuts, by the way.
Classic baiting trick. OK, I'll bite. I personally don't really care about the move either way, as I explained above, but what exactly is there to "like" about this? Beeston is well-respected league-wide as a front office guy and has a track-record, but he has seemingly reversed all of that with his waffling in the last year. He named a GM that he was going to "strongly recommend" to the new President and completely undermined his search in doing that. And now there's an air of "we're going back to doing what we did in the 80s/90s" without considering the context of NOW.
The good news here is Beeston probably wanted to check with Doc first before taking the job. If Doc wanted to jump ship, Beest probably wouldn't have jumped on.
Wishful thinking?
Stoeten:
I am trying really hard why you are calling me an idiot on this one.
I just said that I am not too excited about this. It actually feels like a loss. Not a big loss, but a loss to someone like the Royals. Having Beeston pulling AA's strings does not excite me. It also means Cito is back to make a bunch of players resent the organization (Travis Snider) long term.
Might as well bring in Gillick and have the back to back reunion front office style for 2010. Gord Ash should be considered as assistant GM too.
Stoeten,
Ya I'm aware, thus referencing Beeston saying they "could" have spent more money.
Anon @4:53, that's actually a decent point. They did just have dinner the other night, right?
Yes. I like Beeston but my concern is also about Travis Snider and other young players. In the mid-90s Beeston/Gaston under-evaluated and under-utilized Green/Olerud. Made platoon players they'd give us 16 homers 55 rbis or something.
Freed from Gaston both prospered. But we had to watch Green set the Dodgers homer record and Olerud set the mets batting average record.
I hope they give Snider a real shot. It would be a shame to have himn have 3 or 4 15 homer years in a platoon role then explode when given an every day job by another team.
Let me get this straight. Having Beeston back is bad because we might return to the “old” days when we had a team, that was winning world series, that we could be proud of, that if needed and we were a player or two away we could afford to buy, to get us to that next level. And Beeston has suddenly gone retarded but was considered the number 1 or 2 guy after the commissioner at MLB’s head office. And everybody here is all upset because he didn’t announce this earlier. Geeeeeesh.
@ BFF
And AA is Beeston’s puppet, yet AA has totally revamped the scouting and asst GM spots with younger competant people.
@ JB
And adding geriatric assistants like Mel Queen , who Halladay credits with saving his career, and Didier , who helped build the minor league systems of the Expos and Diamondbacks ( some considered the better in MLB).
@ SP
Cito will be gone soon enough ( even he says, he doesn’t want to sign an extension) but this gives enough time to find the proper manager, if not the off season then at some time during the year. Cito is a “lame duck” and only holding the position until the right man becomes available, at which time he can be given another role in the organization.
@ Stoeten
Can you think of a better person than Beeston, to go to the Roger’s board and ask for more money if the Jays get close to competing?. In the meanwhile, he tells them he doesn’t need it , at THIS TIME. But maybe later?
@ anon 5:10
You do realize who led the league in batting in 93? and who was #2 and #3. Ya they were all Jays , managed by that moron Cito.First time in MLB history ,players from the smae team were 1,2,3, in leaue leading batting average.Guess Olerud was mismanaged.
oops smae=same
@ anon 4:53
If my memory serves me right, Halladay mentioned during the trade speculation that his goal was to pitch in a meaningful game in the postseason whether with the Jays or with someone else.I think he is the pitcher with the most major league games pitched NOT to have pitched in a playoff game. This may be more important than the money offered by the Jays, seeing that other teams that are more likely to make the playoffs sooner would offer similiar money in FA
"You people who don't like this move are completely nuts, by the way."
I'm amazed that anyone can like the move. Did you not follow the 2009 Blue Jays? When your team starts off playing .660 ball for a quarter of the season, it's a good idea to go for it right then and there, because you never know when that opportunity can arise again. That Beeston can sell us the 2010 bullshit and then sit back in 2009 and twiddle his thumbs as he emasculated Ricciardi and people can still be happy about his extension amazes me.
@ Ari
Are you an idiot?Do you remember anything about the 2009 season?Honestly, go over the season and rethink your post.Really.
The post at 4:53 was mostly sarcasm/wishful thinking. But I can guarantee Beest told Halladay he was going to take the interim tag off over dinner. If he didn't he fucked up already, no way could you sit down with your star player that close to a decision and not tell him, there has to be some level of trust. He may have even told him the direction they are going to take.
Regardless, I have a feeling a lot more was discussed (now that it comes out Paul will be the president moving foward) than just setting up a second meeting.
Having Beeston pulling AA's strings does not excite me. It also means Cito is back to make a bunch of players resent the organization (Travis Snider) long term.
Might as well bring in Gillick and have the back to back reunion front office style for 2010. Gord Ash should be considered as assistant GM too.
JB, you're pulling assumptions out of your ass and presenting them as though this is The Way It Is.
Beeston is pulling AA's strings?
Cito is definitely back?
Players will resent the organization long term if Cito comes back?
This is just a cynical nostalgia play?
Dude, your statements are resting on a foundation of complete shit. None of those things are remotely close to being The Way It Is at this point. Way to knock down the little straw man you've built.
I remember every day of it. I also remember Beeston coming on last October and saying he'd find a new President by Christmas (I guess he meant 2009). I also remember perfectly well the shit show that was the mid 90s (94-97) before Beeston ran off to his butt buddy Selig.
Beeston's accomplishments 20 years ago mean very little today.
When your team starts off playing .660 ball for a quarter of the season, it's a good idea to go for it right then and there, because you never know when that opportunity can arise again. That Beeston can sell us the 2010 bullshit and then sit back in 2009 and twiddle his thumbs as he emasculated Ricciardi and people can still be happy about his extension amazes me.
That's absolutely crazy. This team was never good enough to start throwing money and prospects around to try to win this year, regardless of how well they played against a bunch of struggling AL Central teams at the start of the year.
And... uh... he emasculated Ricciardi? Riiiight...
I remember every day of it. I also remember Beeston coming on last October and saying he'd find a new President by Christmas (I guess he meant 2009). I also remember perfectly well the shit show that was the mid 90s (94-97) before Beeston ran off to his butt buddy Selig.
So you'd have preferred he kept true to his word and hired any asshole by Christmas. It's more important to meet the arbitrary deadline than get the right guy?
And do you also remember what year Labatt was bought by Interbrew-- I'll give you a hint, it was the same year the strike took the wind out of the Jays attendance.
Fuck... I don't particularly want to be the guy acting like Beeston is riding in on a white horse to save us all, but could everybody who hates this at least bring some half-decent criticism, please.
Okay then Ari, do you remember:
1) Three of the starters going down to injury?
2) At 27-14, most people saying wait until they go through the ALE once, gauge their success before major moves are made.
3) Scutaro having a career year in his mid thirty's
4)could anyone predict the rise of Hill and Lind and the demise of wells and Rios?
And Beeston was a fool for not " going for it" when the team was .660?The team had a lot of what if's at that time.
Fuck , now I'm agreeing with Stoeten. Fuck, Fuck,Fuck I hate that.lol
"This team was never good enough to start throwing money and prospects around to try to win this year"
THAT'S absolutely crazy. There was so much value on this year's FA market this year because of the recession it was insane. Their positive run differential led to an 84.5-77.5 third order BP record. Instead of cutting payroll 20%, imagine what could have happened if he sold a 20% increase to the board, instead of erroneously deciding there was no reason to spend any money. 40m could have bought this team Bobby Abreu, Randy Wolf, Pat Burrell, Rafael Furcal, Carl Pavano, Felipe Lopez...
If the team was never good enough to start throwing money and prospects around to try and win this year, they never will be. This is a VERY good team that could have been augmented by some shrewd dips into free agency last winter. That Beeston didn't realize this is a big problem.
Yeah, this is weird.
Ari, you were talking about the point where they were 27-14.
I don't disagree about last winter, but that's not what we were talking about.
Maybe he was talking about after the 9 game losing streak right after that.
I view both as a problem. First last winter, and then not capitalizing on a 27-14 start. If his plan all along was 2010, where was the harm in picking up the process right then and there, when you're chances are at their greatest because you've ripped through a quarter of the schedule?
"And do you also remember what year Labatt was bought by Interbrew-- I'll give you a hint, it was the same year the strike took the wind out of the Jays attendance."
So let me get this straight - pre-strike Jays credit goes to Beeston, because he won 2 championship. Post-strike Jays blame however falls on Interbrew though, not Beeston?
Not that simple. However, after 1994 the team was owned by a far shittier ownership group than before, attendance took a kick in the ball thanks to the strike-- plus Gillick left. That doesn't make Beeston completely blameless, but it helps us understand why things ended up going so far off the rails better than grossly oversimplifying and saying that it's ALL on Beeston during those three years, and therefore we must ignore the 15 years previous.
Labatt's BLUE jays were supportive of the team.
Interbrew didn't want to have anything to do with baseball.They were only interested with the brewing of beer.
"And... uh... he emasculated Ricciardi? Riiiight..."
How else do you explain a budget cut and the draft fiasco? All the direct work of Paul Beeston. JP would never have drafted 3 guys he wasn't going to sign.
"and saying that it's ALL on Beeston during those three years, and therefore we must ignore the 15 years previous."
Huh? I'm saying the exact amount of credit Beeston deserves for being the President during 89-93 (not 15 years, as you suggest) equals the amount of blame he deserves for being the President during 94-97.
Beeston in a few minutes on PTS on fan590..
Well, of course not, don't be ridi-cool-us.
Summary
-He claims to make his mind in regards to president this past weekend
-Budget plan end of next week
+Bunch of obvious stuff
@ tercet
And you expected ?
Huh? I'm saying the exact amount of credit Beeston deserves for being the President during 89-93 (not 15 years, as you suggest) equals the amount of blame he deserves for being the President during 94-97.
That's not entirely fair though. If I remember correctly, Interbrew completely fucked them over payroll-wise, which would have been a big enough blow to the team on its own, but it happened alongside the departure of the best GM in the team's history and a labour dispute that was absolutely crippling for attendance.
Like Stoeten said, I don't think Beeston is completely blameless for those four years, but I think that, given the circumstances, the team was going to be pretty shitty for a few years there regardless of who was in charge.
Maybe something Juicy like what the payroll/plan will be for next year and why the fuck Cito Gaston is still manager of this team.
I think it bodes well for the organization that Beeston -- who obviously repeatedly turned down this job for a year and a half -- changed his mind because, as per his quotes in the Globe article, working with AA over the past month has re-kindled his passion/enthusiasm for baseball and he's legitimately excited to make this team a contender again.
If the way Anthopolous plans on running things is enough to completely change Beeston's mind and get him that excited, then I'd like to think that we as fans have a lot to be excited about too. The guy's seen a lot over the years, so if AA has really impressed him as much as it sounds like he has, I'm feeling pretty optimistic about the future.
What is the colour of the sky in your world?
@ Ty
I agree
"I don't think Beeston is completely blameless for those four years, but I think that, given the circumstances, the team was going to be pretty shitty for a few years there regardless of who was in charge."
And I think the flip-side is equally true - no matter who was in charge when we had the highest payroll in baseball chances are we were going to be pretty good. I think my statement was entirely fair.
I think it's also important to point out that as president Paul Beeston was responsible for the Ash hiring (and for not retaining Gillick, assuming it was possible). So the franchise's ineptitude from 97-01 can also be traced back to Beeston, eventhough he wasn't around.
Yea what you guys above said, and what Shulman just said on Fan590..
Beeston wouldn't have came back unless Rogers guarantees they will give him the money to compete..
You're going to love my nuts!
Stop having a boring tuna, stop having a boring life!
Fuck off Stoten
Don't love it, don't hate it. If this announcement was a sound, it would be a neutral sigh. I understand that men his age often need to consult family when considering a long-term position and I respect the delay on his end, especially if it was truly his intention to be here all along.
However, the team has three options:
1. Rebuild, look to dump Wells, sign ALL THEIR MOTHERFUCKING DRAFT PICKS, dump Cito for a manager with a pulse, reduce payroll, take the picks for Scutaro, etc.
2. Convince the brass to fork out the plastic, sign ALL THEIR MOTHERFUCKING DRAFT PICKS, dump/keep Cito after consulting with the team's core players, re-ink Halladay, make a splash in free agency with potential impact players, etc.
3. Tweak here and there, fail to sign draft picks, keep Cito and watch him try to tweak Snider's giant, looping swing because he should be able to hit 40+ with his body type, ink Scutaro and Barajas because it's easy, etc
I don't trust the franchise enough to expect either of the first two options, but with Beeston here permanently, I can't say a full, proper rebuild or a legit chance at competing with the AL East isn't on the menu.
"I think it's also important to point out that as president Paul Beeston was responsible for the Ash hiring (and for not retaining Gillick, assuming it was possible)."
How do you know that Gillick didn't see the writing on the wall with the new Interbrew ownership and opted to go someplace else to start looking for a new challenge? He had already found success with the Jays in the end and owed the team nothing. That Beeston followed suit and left town is another sign of how much things changed in the late 90's.
Stoeten is right. If you are a jays fan, you should LOVE this move.
Remember: Beeston said he is excited about fielding a contender here, and he signed a three year deal.
Does that not portend well for the immediate future? 2010, 2011, 2012 should be a lot of fun to watch!
Beeston makes his first move!!!
He has fired Alex Anthoupolos LOL!
I'm going to go on a limb here and correct me if I make a mistake.
Was Interbrew all that bad? When JP took over when Rogers purchased the team from Interbrew payroll was at 88 million...in 2001, a time when 88 was enough to be competitive in the AL East. It was also at a time when the dollar was ridiculously low. Irresponsible spending? Yes, but it was pretty clear they were committed to competing.
As well, they also seemed to give the Presidents a fair amoutn of autonomy, not middling in player transactions. So much autonomy you wondered if they even gave two shits. And yes, the stadium under them went to hell, and yes, Ash was a terrible GM and they gave out ridiculous money to terrible baseball players, but someone's going to have to refresh my memory as to what exactly Interbrew did that was so deplorable.
I'd like to believe they were terrible owners, I just don't remember what was so bad.
Ari at 5:47 nailed it. Beeston completely blew it last year with the payroll bullshit he pulled. As you said, there were enormously valuable FA contracts available for short terms. I would've taken it a step further and went after Manny too, thus making full use of Doc's remaining two years, and potentially re-signing him. The idea that this team isn't ready to contend with a couple moves is a myth. They've been a very good team since 2006 that could've made the playoffs with the right signings last year.
I agree with SP.
So basically nothing really changes, but the team just had to get rid of Ricciardi because he was a PR nightmare? So, what exactly is different about the management structure compared to about a month ago? I was expecting someone with a different vision to step into both the president and GM role but it looks like more of the same from this organization.
So basically nothing really changes, but the team just had to get rid of Ricciardi because he was a PR nightmare? So, what exactly is different about the management structure compared to about a month ago? I was expecting someone with a different vision to step into both the president and GM role but it looks like more of the same from this organization.
There isn't much different. We still have a puppet GM (which JP was for the last year), still have Beeston in control, and still have no idea what our plan is (though it appears that the team may be going old-school, which isn't a good thing).
Just letting you guys know youre all fucking idiots who don't know anything. I'm right because I write condescending comments like this
People seem to be forgetting that he's taking the job of the President and not the GM. He's never been a personnel guy. He's the business guy. Gillick was the personnel guy back in the day and AA will have complete control of the on field product going forward. Beeston will tell you first hand that he doesn't do player evaluation etc...
Shocker! Stoten's still a useless fuckwad!
You're going to love my nuts!
Stop having a boring tuna! Stop having a boring life!
Speaking of tuna, how's Jennipher? Been awhile since I sucked on that taco!
Somebody tell me that Paolo is just fake-texting us that he's quitting.
We need you Paolo! Or are we using the "other name" now so that you're like a secret agent?
They'll probably go after Jason Bay now.
Guy in your mom's bed, yeah that's true but do you think Beeston will be on board with the dismissal or re-assignment of his buddy - Old Man Gaston?
Cito absolutely has to be relieved. If Beeston stands in the way of that - FUCK HIM. If he does the right thing & allows Cito to ride off into the sunset, than this organization will be much better off & I'll get behind the Beest.
Bottom line, Cito has to be gone before the season. They just CAN'T let him manage another year.
Paolo is spamming again...look at him go.
What a waste of a human.
Paolo is perminantely going to post comments under an anonymous moniker now, because he has had enough of everyones bullshit.
Because there is apparently something wrong with telling cito a secret about vernon well's struggles at the plate, just prior to him heating up...Nonetheless i move on, to posting anonymously
Stoeten you are hefty, but thats neither here nor there, the fact that you called me a Nazi among other things that pissed me off.
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