GM Meetings: Tuesday Afternoon Bullshit Buzz
The GM Meetings are in full swing in Chicago, which means that so is the 20th century media hack ritual of trying to get scoops to print in the next morning’s paper, so that people can read rumours tomorrow morning, just as they hit their fifteenth hour of being completely shut down, and trying to create content out of absolutely fucking nothing by disrespecting the power of the written word and, Kenny Ken Ken-like, printing bullshit that they know is bullshit, giving out a few clues as to why it’s bullshit (i.e. that the Jays want no part of Milton Bradley), and then printing it anyway, so as to create a stir that will justify their expensive business trip to Chicago. So… with that in mind, here’s the latest shit…
Let There Be No Doubt, This Is A Rebuild
“I don’t see us, next year, being in the free-agent market. Or this year, I guess that’s what we’re saying,” said Paul Beeston, according to the Calgary Herald. “Unless something really puts itself in front of us that’s too good to resist. Because we have to rebuild this team,” he added, before quickly correcting himself to use the “building” term — not rebuilding — Anthopoulos prefers.
NBC Philadelphia Demonstrates How To Half-Ass Coverage In The Internet Age
Are you fucking serious, NBC Philadelphia? You’re going to legitimize a rumour—one that has the Phillies dangling Cole Hamels for Roy Halladay— that came from “a report on Comcast Sportsnet Philly that was quoted on Bleacher Report.com.” For fucking real? Fucking Bleacher Report???? That’s your source? Holy fuck. Do you fucking seriously not have anybody working there who knows that Bleacher Report is little more than giant pool of nonsense turds left by shit retards? Honest to fucking god, NBC Philadelphia, way to make yourselves fucking worthless.
I mean, maybe the Comcast guy said it, but you’re really going to trust Bleacher Report that they have it right? Meh… your funeral.
Mike Silva Says Things I Think I Like
“It was reported that former Blue Jays GM J.P. Ricciardi asked for Ruben Tejeda, Jonathan Niese, Fernando Martinez, and Bobby Parnell,” writes Mike Silva of New York Baseball Digest, of the Mets offer for Halladay this summer. “It’s a deal that, if offered and rejected, I am sure the Mets would like to have back.”
“If the July deal doesn’t get it done I would offer to replace Niese with Mejia and Parnell with Holt. … I would even explore if the inclusion of Mike Pelfrey could replace a prospect or two or sweeten the deal. … Let’s go one step further. Would I make Ike Davis untouchable? The answer is no. Obviously I wouldn’t just throw players in the deal to acquire Halladay, but if Toronto wants Davis perhaps you downgrade the pitchers in the deal and ask for Lyle Overbay (if he still is with Toronto at that point),” he adds.
“Reality is such that the Mets are built to win now. If you are not going to trade Beltran and Santana then you might as well go for it in a one to two year period. … You might not like hearing this, but right now the Mets don’t have the luxury of winning now and building for the future. Incompetent management has destroyed that opportunity and only breaking this down and building it up can fix that. Unfortunately there is a team across town that makes any idea of rebuilding dangerous. A conservative plan threatens to set the franchise back a decade and reap long term harm to fan loyalty. Remember, the kids want to root for a winner, not share in the pain of their parents. The Mets need star power both on the field and in the box office. Roy Halladay meets both those needs.”
Sherman: Halladay’s Market, AA’s Focus, Belief In Rogers?
Joel Sherman of the New York Post gives a nice summary of the Halladay situation, noting that “In some respects, little has changed. Blue Jays officials are saying they are going to have to be wowed -- think one elite prospect as part of a package at minimum -- to consider moving Halladay. One Toronto executive said, ‘We would rather have one above-average impact guy than eight ordinary guys.’ So it is quality over quantity, or else the Jays are insisting they will try to find those high-end guys with the two draft picks they would receive in compensation if Halladay leaves in free agency.”
Interestingly, Sherman also points out a couple of nuggets that either haven’t been said so clearly before, or that I’ve just completely missed.
We all know that Anthopoulos has focussed his reshape of the front office on scouting and player development, and Sherman says that the Jays have hired an “unprecedented” number of scouts—25 amateur and 25 pro. “The idea of new GM Alex Anthopoulos is to try to become the best drafting and trading team in the sport -- essentially to know available players at all levels better than any other team to avoid expensive free agents.”
He also has one of the craziest things I’ve ever seen attributed to someone in the Jays front office who I assume wasn’t completely bullshitting. “Wouldn't it be valuable to get the best possible deal for Halladay plus use the $15.75 million in other ways?” he asks, and then says that “Toronto officials counter that their ownership, Rogers Communication, is the richest of any team and has no problem paying Halladay if that is what is best for the overall health of the franchise.”
Based on system access fees alone, that might actually be fucking true. Holy shit.
And while I don’t think they want any part of keeping Halladay and then just taking the picks, I’m starting to believe that Rogers might actually be prepared to not be complete pieces of shit—going forward, that is. Not this year. This year they were total fucks.
We Didn’t Need To Be Told This, But Thanks…
I like Jerry Crasnick of ESPN, and not just because he was kind enough to be on our podcast, and I think the rest of his Eight Questions For Baseball Executives post was pretty great, but did he really have to go and hammer home the point that Vernon Wells has a shitty contract by asking 20 executives who is more untradable, Wells or Milton Bradley—about which 20 of 20 said Wells.
Seriously… we know. OK????
Montreal Still Grieving Over Expos
Not hotstove-related, but here’s a fantastic piece from Jack Todd of the Montreal Gazette, Part of Montreal’s soul died when Expos left, which reopens the wounds of five years ago when the team left town for good. Yep… it still sucks.


23 rational and reasonable comments:
Fuck off, Crasnick.
I think Rogers will sell this team before the rebuild is complete Beeston saying no free agents for 2011 either, they must think that they have the best farm system in baseball and they will fill all of the wholes with their farm system. Do they think that the fans like watching them year after year look pathetic on the field.
Get ready for a rebuild
Are they going to put a jar in the front office and collect fines every time someone says "re-" before the word "building", 2008 Tampa Bay [Devil] Rays style?
I think Rogers will sell this team before the rebuild is complete Beeston saying no free agents for 2011 either, they must think that they have the best farm system in baseball and they will fill all of the wholes with their farm system. Do they think that the fans like watching them year after year look pathetic on the field.
Anything else you'd like to pull out of your ass and be wrong about?
Fuck off NBC Philadelphia. They actually called into question Halladay's durability after 4 straight seasons of 220+ IP. That Hamels-Halladay rumor also has to be the most fucked up thing I've seen yet...what would possibly compel the Phillies to make that deal?
In order to "rebuild", you have to have built something in the first place. Maybe AA doesn't want to imply that JP built anything of consequence.
Oh, and at this point, I think the Jays will keep Halladay for 2010. Nothing has really changed since last summer...Beeston is still in control, and he's still the one calling the shots.
I just don't think Beeston has it in him to deal away the best player this organization has ever had (nor do I see Halladay asking for a trade, he will play out his contract).
In order to "rebuild", you have to have built something in the first place. Maybe AA doesn't want to imply that JP built anything of consequence.
Huh? I disagree with both sentences.
They better sell the team!
Meds
Conditions for baseball's return to Montreal:
1. A 10-20 year hangover period.
2. By then a new Commish. Thank fuck.
3. Another legitimate Jays squad with at least one WS win.
4. The new generation of Canadian stars building on the ranks of J Bay, Morneau and Russell Martin.
5. A Canadian win at the WBC.
"Can we get a source on this? A couple of drunken frat boys?"
It would have more credibility than Bleacher Report ...
Hahaha.
Manitou, I don't even know if that much is enough. I'd love to see the Jays AAA team in Montreal, though. LOVE it. But I have no idea how receptive they'd be to it.
I read that AA plans to be very scout heavy and is bringing new scouts to evaluate talent not only at the college/high school level, but to also evaluate prospects from other organizations. While I am not against more scouts being brought in, I am suspcious of what scouts offer. Scouts are great, but nothing beats cold hard numbers taken in context of ballpark and league when evaluating a prospect.
Scouts have been wrong about so many players and usually fall in love with a mold of what they think a ballplayer should look like. It's why they pass players like Kevin Youkilis (who many scouts labelled as a fat third baseman) while they awe over Alex Rios.
Where am I? 2002?
JB....
$10 Million for BJ Ryan
$8 Million to Frank Thomas
$2 Million to JP Shitccardi
OR
How many scouts at $100k a year plus expenses
Think of a 1000 monkeys at a 1000 typwrites eventually one will produce a masterpiece
Guys, guys, guys... you're both wrong.
...whats the RIGHT answer then?
I like the Rogers seems to have adopted this
'we're rich, we're willing to spend as much as the Red Sox' type attitude lately. I like that a lot.
But it does suck that we're probably not going to see that for another year or two. Blech. I'm not really enthused to sit through another shit season.
Or another year of hockey douchebags insisting that the Jays are dying here because they have appropriately low attendance for a bad team. I couldn't believe the bullshit about the Jays drawing 11K a few times last year as though they were the modern day Expos, when about 7 other teams were drawing the same or worse at the same time.
Trebek, JB's fear of scouts is ridiculous-- it can't hurt to have people evaluating the mechanics and actually looking at players with their eyes. And he has no idea what kind of scouts these are, how adept they are with new statistical analysis, or how the decision-making process will work. He acts like scouts are entirely of the stereotype out of Moneyball, and that the stats are the be-all end-all, as though there aren't guys like Keith Law who can very capably be on both sides of the divide. The fear of scouts from stat guys and vice versa is immensely stupid. The more information and the more kinds of information that you have, the better off you are. That's why I asked if it was 2002, because that's about where JB's view of this issue is rooted. Dredging up Ryan and Thomas, however, doesn't prove anything.
I didn't fully make myself clear -- I am ok with scouts, I just fear the old style or complete reliance on scouts. I think it is reasonable to fear this from a team that employs Cito Gaston as a manager and senior advisor.
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