tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4473577566518494537.post2638940023460896636..comments2009-11-23T20:20:46.887-05:00Stoetenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11599405668168100016stoeten@gmail.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4473577566518494537.post-12115188568549046952009-11-13T16:49:43.049-05:002009-11-13T16:49:43.049-05:00Dirk jeter is coolAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4473577566518494537.post-38303352537376168602009-11-11T11:00:14.223-05:002009-11-11T11:00:14.223-05:00My UZR weighs a tonFranklin Gutierreznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4473577566518494537.post-80963446631975403182009-11-10T19:48:57.252-05:002009-11-10T19:48:57.252-05:00&quot;but your argument about him deserving it for his great UZR&quot;<br /><br />This never happened. I used UZR to show he doesn&#39;t suck, and that just maybe the voters take it &quot;remotely seriously&quot;. Then I stated a fact that he deserved the award and Foster Homes &amp; Gardens enumerated why (FP% and E being included in the equation, not just UZR).Arinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4473577566518494537.post-41630632732892757102009-11-10T19:40:55.356-05:002009-11-10T19:40:55.356-05:00Don&#39;t worry, guys - Gutierrez is going to win a gold glove. But he&#39;ll have to wait 4 or 5 years - y&#39;know, when his skills have declined to average or below-average but his Reputation is finally worthy of an award.neilshyminskyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14745442660488961314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4473577566518494537.post-846563562397890682009-11-10T18:06:02.929-05:002009-11-10T18:06:02.929-05:00Vernon didn&#39;t win???? HOW COME!!!!<br /><br />LOLZFatkidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4473577566518494537.post-5799978762412106412009-11-10T18:03:18.854-05:002009-11-10T18:03:18.854-05:00Why would someone get &quot;into the game&quot; for a female condom?PoutineLoverhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08441866041965117810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4473577566518494537.post-39077519418420101092009-11-10T17:45:24.060-05:002009-11-10T17:45:24.060-05:00It&#39;s just temporary. Our little anonymous friend is having a manic episode, posting the same bullshit for over an hour straight now. I&#39;m sick of deleting it. I&#39;ll turn moderation off when poor baby calms down and takes his meds.Stoetenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11599405668168100016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4473577566518494537.post-37529356363515735342009-11-10T17:44:18.761-05:002009-11-10T17:44:18.761-05:00Why do posts have to be approved now?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4473577566518494537.post-64018985613926501542009-11-10T17:10:19.026-05:002009-11-10T17:10:19.026-05:00definitely, franklin got screwedfoster homes and gardenshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10830078610478556265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4473577566518494537.post-73224081162631857852009-11-10T17:03:43.135-05:002009-11-10T17:03:43.135-05:00<i>the voters aren&#39;t COMPLETE retards for choosing him</i> <br /><br />You&#39;re right, I suppose. They&#39;re COMPLETE retards for leaving off Franklin Gutierrez GutiStoetenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11599405668168100016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4473577566518494537.post-4200221713479916162009-11-10T17:03:08.889-05:002009-11-10T17:03:08.889-05:00They ARE retards if they based it on errors/fielding percentage alone, or even worse, if they factored in hitting. It looks like this is exactly what happened. Any consideration of way more important things like range and double plays would&#39;ve given it to Andrus.SPhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15861389212599241745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4473577566518494537.post-46280361213943376302009-11-10T17:02:57.731-05:002009-11-10T17:02:57.731-05:00<i>most often, official scorers aren&#39;t retards and they give the hitters a base hit if a ball is muffed by a guy way out of his range.</i> <br /><br />We&#39;ll have to agree to disagree on that.Stoetenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11599405668168100016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4473577566518494537.post-67574330134634721662009-11-10T16:59:06.318-05:002009-11-10T16:59:06.318-05:00i&#39;m not saying i&#39;d rather have jeter than andrus, i&#39;m just trying to show how jeter could have possibly won this award and why the voters aren&#39;t COMPLETE retards for choosing himfoster homes and gardenshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10830078610478556265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4473577566518494537.post-22063788346887866302009-11-10T16:56:53.760-05:002009-11-10T16:56:53.760-05:00Andrus also had a higher UZR, RZR, started and turned more DPs, and made more Out of Zone plays than Jeter. Errors don&#39;t mean shit. I&#39;d rather have an error prone guy who can get to more balls than a sure-handed guy who has no range.<br /><br />By the way, Hill better win the GG for 2B.SPhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15861389212599241745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4473577566518494537.post-25727033819393229352009-11-10T16:54:58.164-05:002009-11-10T16:54:58.164-05:00most often, official scorers aren&#39;t retards and they give the hitters a base hit if a ball is muffed by a guy way out of his range. if he reaches a ball way out of his range that nobody else could have gotten and makes a wild throw, and is given a throwing error, then it seems like the error should be discounted from this conversation. so i&#39;m not sure why you think throwing errors are the important ones. it seems like those are the only ones that he would be charged with that an inferior defender would avoid.foster homes and gardenshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10830078610478556265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4473577566518494537.post-64331150519832591542009-11-10T16:51:55.705-05:002009-11-10T16:51:55.705-05:00Well, Gutierrez just this year not getting one is definitely worse. Again, I chose Jeter because it&#39;s funnier, and people get more riled up about him.<br /><br />As for errors, if those are errors charged on Andrus because he muffed a ball way out at the edge of his range-- which most other shortstops would have watched sail past them anyway-- I don&#39;t think they should count for anything.Stoetenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11599405668168100016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4473577566518494537.post-71042036603884301952009-11-10T16:49:07.761-05:002009-11-10T16:49:07.761-05:00i just think there comes a point when you do have to factor in errorsfoster homes and gardenshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10830078610478556265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4473577566518494537.post-82683204201252092252009-11-10T16:47:13.415-05:002009-11-10T16:47:13.415-05:00i get that errors generally don&#39;t mean anything, but 22 errors is a LOT...i think it&#39;s way too many to award someone something based on defense when they make 22 errors, even though his range was great.<br /><br />i think there&#39;s been way worse decisions than choosing jeter over andrus...foster homes and gardenshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10830078610478556265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4473577566518494537.post-66044554426342708012009-11-10T16:37:47.035-05:002009-11-10T16:37:47.035-05:00Errors don&#39;t mean anything-- maybe throwing errors. Do we have that information? If not, I&#39;d say it&#39;s Andrus, easily. If we do and the bulk of those are throwing errors, maybe... maybe...Stoetenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11599405668168100016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4473577566518494537.post-13157801922257915862009-11-10T16:28:18.057-05:002009-11-10T16:28:18.057-05:00umm who did you want to give it to? Here&#39;s the top 5 in UZR:<br /><br />-izturis (only started 107 games at shortstop, doesn&#39;t seem right to give it to someone like that)<br /><br />-Elvis Andrus (had a better UZR than jeter but made a brutal 22 errors - you really think that deserves this award?)<br /><br />-adam everett (started 107 games there..again, seems kind of slim, also made 14 errors which i get isn&#39;t the greatest way to measure defense, but that&#39;s a lot of errors.)<br /><br />-then comes erick aybar and derek jeter, who are kind of a toss-up..i would have chosen jeter over aybar as well.foster homes and gardenshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10830078610478556265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4473577566518494537.post-76491527174508583762009-11-10T16:25:52.842-05:002009-11-10T16:25:52.842-05:00wow gutierrez was robbed...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4473577566518494537.post-83733861426687408442009-11-10T16:14:55.339-05:002009-11-10T16:14:55.339-05:00Ari, fuck off. Yes, his UZR was good, but your argument about him deserving it for his great UZR becomes a little fucking stupid when you look and see guys ahead of him.<br /><br />Frankly, it&#39;s just funnier to pick on Jeter to rile up the tools. Guess it worked-- though you&#39;re a different type of tool than I expected.Stoetenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11599405668168100016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4473577566518494537.post-73175734080521346382009-11-10T16:14:23.907-05:002009-11-10T16:14:23.907-05:00How did JB dodge that list?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4473577566518494537.post-52207628157915399992009-11-10T16:11:24.055-05:002009-11-10T16:11:24.055-05:00&quot;Jeter deserved this year&#39;s Gold Glove. And I hate him with every bone in my body.&quot;<br /><br />And that&#39;s why Ari made number 10 on the top 5 dumb ass Jays fans!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4473577566518494537.post-20516235925226249562009-11-10T16:03:34.905-05:002009-11-10T16:03:34.905-05:00Hey, hey, hey. *What* is going *on* here?Mr. Beldingnoreply@blogger.com